Please help a dinosaur out

[KevH]

UPDATE

Been a busy week for me.

So the Trijicon RMR is on its way. I should have it by early next week.

I've decided to skip milling the old G22 for now and buy G17 Gen5 MOS. For the cost of milling and refinishing I figured why not. I'm going to go try to pickup the gun tonight or tomorrow.

I ordered a 10-8 precision MOS suppressor height rear sight and the Trijicon adapter plate from Brownells. They also should be here by early next week. I already have a Dawson .315 fiber optic front sight sitting in a baggy in my box-o-parts so I'll use that in the front with a green rod.

I have a Safariland 6390RDS on the way as well (I still can't believe I actually found one).

Am I missing anything?

My hope is to run this thing on an in-service day next Friday (3/6) which means I need to get it assembled and pay with it first mid next week.

[1Rangemaster]

I think you’ll be very happy with the results. Try and dedicate some dry and live fire for indexing, etc.
The only thing I would add is to take care in mounting the plate and sight on the pistol. I’ve installed a few dozen by now, and attention to detail has made almost all successful. Two exceptions for plates loosening after a few thousand rounds and vigorous work. There’s a thread here that has worked well.
Good luck on the journey

[theJanitor]

@StraitR

[Erick Gelhaus]

Take a close look at the C and H plates, rather than the stock MOS version. They are getting pretty favorable reviews.

[StraitR]

@StraitR

I think I'm going to go for the RMR Type 2 6.5 MOA adjustable (RM07-C-700679). Does that model make sense?

I'll preface this with the fact that I consider myself a pistol red dot noob, playing with them on and off (mostly off) for the last nine years. In 2011 I bought an RM02 8moa and the Trijicon dovetail mount for a G19. In 2011, an RDS on defensive handguns was a relatively new concept. My issues were no BUIS and the optic was mounted noticeably high (totally different index). Hated it, and went back to irons after a few months. At the time, I shot a few times a week and my uncorrected vision was perfect.

I later went on to put that RMR on a couple different MOS guns, just for sake of funsies. Still, my eyesight wasn't at a point that I felt the dot was a "must have", so I remained unsold on the concept for my day to day uses. In the last couple years my vision has deteriorated. Wanting back in the game with a dot that was as maintenance free as the pistol (Glock), I waited the better part of two years for the ACRO to come out. Bought one within weeks of release. Battery life aside, I found the tiny 2moa dot tough for me to look past. In other words, the smaller dot kept drawing my eye back in an attempt to confirm location. My vision would constantly shift back and forth from target focus to dot confirmation. This never happened with the 8moa RM02.

I too have an astigmatism in my dominant eye, and a lot of red dots look like comets or commas. The thing is, the biggest benefit of red dot optics is to stay target focused (single focal plane), so dot distortion wasn't a huge factor for me. My issue, as stated above, is that I can't "see" the smaller dots enough to remain confidently target focused.

I recently purchased the same RM07 6.5moa model listed above and I'm quite happy with it. Dot is clear (for me) if I stare at it, but more importantly, it's much easier for me to locate and see (read: look past) while staying target focused. The other upside (for me anyway) of larger dots is less perceived wobble/movement than smaller dots. Of course, all this is all pretty subjective and unique to each individual and their vision.

[HCM]

UPDATE

Been a busy week for me.

So the Trijicon RMR is on its way. I should have it by early next week.

I've decided to skip milling the old G22 for now and buy G17 Gen5 MOS. For the cost of milling and refinishing I figured why not. I'm going to go try to pickup the gun tonight or tomorrow.

I ordered a 10-8 precision MOS suppressor height rear sight and the Trijicon adapter plate from Brownells. They also should be here by early next week. I already have a Dawson .315 fiber optic front sight sitting in a baggy in my box-o-parts so I'll use that in the front with a green rod.

I have a Safariland 6390RDS on the way as well (I still can't believe I actually found one).

Am I missing anything?

My hope is to run this thing on an in-service day next Friday (3/6) which means I need to get it assembled and pay with it first mid next week.

1) For mounting on the MOS the C&H plate is THE way to vs the Trijicon. Better fit and the raised screw bosses help support the optic much better than tiny screws alone, the raised bosses give you twice as much thread engagement and the bosses take some of the shearing forces at the juncture of the plate and optic where the factory screws often shear.

https://www.bigtexoutdoors.com/produ...o-holosun-dpp/

2) VC3 vibratite > Loctite for use on the MOS.

3) Read this sticky from NickDrak on mounting. Particularly the part about using a torque driver not guessing based on feel. The screws in the MOS system are small. Too tight and too loose are both bad.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....worked-for-me)

What we are learning with the pistol RDS is “proper” mounting makes a significant difference in the reliability and durability of the RDS. Much more so than on long guns.

[HCM]

Take a close look at the C and H plates, rather than the stock MOS version. They are getting pretty favorable reviews.

Top RDS trainers are recommending that agencies who want to issue or approve the MOS In lieu of milling (which is gonna be most Agencies) use the C&H plate. I’m a fan.

[StraitR]

1) For mounting on the MOS the C&H plate is THE way to vs the Trijicon. Better fit and the raised screw bosses help support the optic much better than tiny screws alone.

https://www.bigtexoutdoors.com/produ...o-holosun-dpp/

2) VC3 vibratite > Loctite for use on the MOS.

3) Read this sticky from NickDrak on mounting. Particularly the part about using a torque driver not guessing based on feel. The screws in the MOS system are small. Too tight and too loose are both bad.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....worked-for-me)

Worth noting about #3 and that installation thread, is that Nick suggests using 14 in/lbs of torque on the CH V3 plate RMR screws. It apparently is working for him, but the instructions that came with my recently received CH V3 plate state 9.5 in/lbs of torque.

In that same thread, @ssb used 14 in/lbs of torque on his V3 plate, and (much) later had the bosses break when trying to replace a battery. Possibly a coincidence, but worth noting the torque value differences and potential pitfalls.

I used Vibra-Tite VC-3 and the recommended 9.5 in/lbs of torque to play it safe. Time will tell how that works out.

Also, the V3 plates are on sale and a steel version (V4) is due out shortly. Might be worth waiting for.

[HCM]

Worth noting about #3 and that installation thread, is that Nick suggests using 14 in/lbs of torque on the CH V3 plate RMR screws. It apparently is working for him, but the instructions that came with my recently received CH V3 plate state 9.5 in/lbs of torque.

In that same thread, @ssb used 14 in/lbs of torque on his V3 plate, and (much) later had the bosses break when trying to replace a battery. Possibly a coincidence, but worth noting the torque value differences and potential pitfalls.

I used Vibra-Tite VC-3 and the recommended 9.5 in/lbs to play it safe. Time will tell how that works out.

Nick has been doing the RDS pistol thing a while and I think 14lbs was based on prior experience with other mounting systems, all of which are steel on steel.

The C&H plate is aluminum so I could seen a lower torque due to both the material and the fact you have 2x the thread engagement.

[StraitR]

Nick has been doing the RDS pistol thing a while and I think 14lbs was based on prior experience with other mounting systems, all of which are steel on steel.

The C&H plate is aluminum so I could seen a lower torque due to both the material and the fact you have 2x the thread engagement.

I asked a specific question*, and got a specific answer HERE.

*When I asked that, the only information I could find about installation instructions was on an older YT video, and it showed 8/6.5 in/lbs. The instructions I received with my V3 said 9.5 in/lbs.