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Thread: RFI: 2020 Subaru Legacy

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    Quote Originally Posted by randyho View Post
    CVT's are deal-breakers for me. Indefinite and unrelenting "WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH....," is not something I want to listen to on my commute and that is what the last cvt I drove provided. </boomer>
    The current Subaru V6 CVTs don’t have that issue at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TGS View Post
    Did you drive a modern Subaru CVT, or are you using experience with another brand's CVT to interject in a Subaru thread?
    Subie-specific. Not impressed. Autocrossed an 04 wrx for a few years and the CVT was very much a, "what fresh hell is this," experience. Drove another recently, same impression. Thanks, nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echo5charlie View Post
    Anyone here have any experience with the 2020 models? I'm currently in the market for an AWD car that gets great fuel economy and is cheap, the Legacy looks to fit the bill.
    Just bought one last week. It's actually my wife's car. We got the 2020 Legacy Limited XT with the 260 HP 2.4L boxer used in the Ascent and certain Outbacks. It's very hard to locate the XT models; the dealer says Subaru will only build on demand, so the dealer has to order it to get it. Our dealer only had it because the financing fell through for the people who originally ordered it. It's plenty fast for what we need it to do, but it is more of a plush cruiser than a sport sedan; which my wife likes. Our other car is a 2019 Subaru WRX Limited 6 speed, so the 2 cars could not be more different except for the turbo and AWD.

    Here's what I like so far in the Legacy. Big ass fuel tank (18.5 gal.) and 32 MPG highway yields cruising range of nearly 600 miles ... never had a vehicle with a range over 400 miles. Harman Kardon audio system in the Limited is great, better than the one in the WRX Limited which I never considered bad. The vertically oriented 11.6 inch tablet based infotainment screen in dashboard is pretty nice, but only the TomTom based navigation uses the full screen ... Waze or Google Maps navigation via Apple CarPlay or Android Auto will only use half the screen while the other half is reserved for the radio. I'm not into all the safety stuff that the Subaru Eyesight allows since 6MT versions of the WRX don't offer Eyesight, but I do appreciate the Legacy having it. Plenty of interior room. I am 6-'3" and all legs and I can't put the driver seat all the way back without it being too far away from the pedals! The trunk is very big, which is nice since we were tired of SUVs.

    Here's what I don't like about the Legacy XT. Where's the damn hoodscoop? I keep giving the STI and WRX bro's the Subie wave and I go unnoticed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreggW View Post
    I would recommend a Crosstrek over the Legacy. I loved the Crosstrek that I had. Great gas mileage, great in the snow, drives really nice. The Legacy is a little bit bigger overall but has less cargo room. On paper, the Crosstrek has less HP but it has enough power to do everything I needed it to do.

    If nothing else the resale value on the Crosstrek is a lot better than the Legacy. I traded my Crosstrek off on a Forester and wish I had just kept the Crosstrek as my commuter. It was a lot more fun to drive every day. The Forester is a little bigger but and doesn't do anything bad it just doesn't have the same sporty feel of the Crosstrek.
    A Crosstrek was on my list and I test drove one along with the Legacy. The Crosstrek was first and when I drove the Legacy I immediately noticed the difference in engine response, those ~30 HP were noticeable to me. I have been driving Jeeps and trucks for the past 20+ years and going to a sedan has me worried that I will forget that I no longer have the same clearance I did before.

    I haven't fully ruled out a Crosstrek, but the Legacy is by far the current front runner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bladehack View Post
    Just bought one last week. It's actually my wife's car. We got the 2020 Legacy Limited XT with the 260 HP 2.4L boxer used in the Ascent and certain Outbacks. It's very hard to locate the XT models; the dealer says Subaru will only build on demand, so the dealer has to order it to get it. Our dealer only had it because the financing fell through for the people who originally ordered it. It's plenty fast for what we need it to do, but it is more of a plush cruiser than a sport sedan; which my wife likes. Our other car is a 2019 Subaru WRX Limited 6 speed, so the 2 cars could not be more different except for the turbo and AWD.

    Here's what I like so far in the Legacy. Big ass fuel tank (18.5 gal.) and 32 MPG highway yields cruising range of nearly 600 miles ... never had a vehicle with a range over 400 miles. Harman Kardon audio system in the Limited is great, better than the one in the WRX Limited which I never considered bad. The vertically oriented 11.6 inch tablet based infotainment screen in dashboard is pretty nice, but only the TomTom based navigation uses the full screen ... Waze or Google Maps navigation via Apple CarPlay or Android Auto will only use half the screen while the other half is reserved for the radio. I'm not into all the safety stuff that the Subaru Eyesight allows since 6MT versions of the WRX don't offer Eyesight, but I do appreciate the Legacy having it. Plenty of interior room. I am 6-'3" and all legs and I can't put the driver seat all the way back without it being too far away from the pedals! The trunk is very big, which is nice since we were tired of SUVs.

    Here's what I don't like about the Legacy XT. Where's the damn hoodscoop? I keep giving the STI and WRX bro's the Subie wave and I go unnoticed.
    Thanks for your insight. A XT variant was on the list briefly, but with three kids in college I have to put that trim on hold for more than a few years lol. Currently the Sport or Limited is my trim of choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randyho View Post
    Subie-specific. Not impressed. Autocrossed an 04 wrx for a few years and the CVT was very much a, "what fresh hell is this," experience. Drove another recently, same impression. Thanks, nope.
    I mean, I owned an 05 WRX STi, which makes a WRX feel sluggish to the point they're basically two different cars regardless of being based on the Impreza. Thing is, I never went comparing a Crosstrek/Legacy/Outback to that sort of thing. They're obviously going to prioritize different qualities. Looking at any Crosstrek/Legacy/Outback (CVT or not) with the perspective of autocross is sort of a non-starter. If you went into driving them with autocross in the back of your mind and comparing them to an 04 WRX...….ummm, I guess I don't really know what you were expecting to find. Sorta like people who buy a BMW 3-series and get pissed off it's not as roomy as a 7 series, or people who buy a Wrangler and are unhappy that it doesn't ride as well at 80mph as their previously owned Ford Expedition.

    I had driven CVTs from other manufacturers (primarily Nissan), and the Subie was by far the best CVT. No idea on actual numbers, but my 13 Subaru CVT is definitely more responsive in daily driving than my 02 Outback 3.6l automatic was, or my wife's 2009 Subaru Outback is. Instant power, no downshifting needed. Even with my Ford Explorer that was fast as fuck, I had to plan the downshift to change lanes in highway traffic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bladehack View Post
    Where's the damn hoodscoop? I keep giving the STI and WRX bro's the Subie wave and I go unnoticed.
    The first time my now daughter-in-law saw my WRX, she said "What's that hole in the hood? It looks like a mail slot."

    Henceforth, it became and remained the "mail slot".

    Oh, doing the same wave, but driving a Forester now. Either unnoticed, or what the ___ looks.

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    What most don't know is that Subaru uses a "split" torque system in their AWD. They vary the ratio of power delivered to the front and rear differentials depending on condition and driving mode. It seems to work quite well in my Crosstrek. The CVT tranny is not on my things to like just as a general principle, but Subaru seems to have a handle on them and is putting them behind more powerful engines than most other automakers.

    Subaru also specs full honest to God real synthetic oils for all their lubricants so the transmission CVT fluid isn't going to be terrible from the jump. Indemitsu is their lubricant supplier. They are the ExxonMobil of Japan. Sure you can get better, but it's not bad stuff for an OEM. Also Subaru engineers pump the living hell out of their engine oils. You need to use the factory Subaru engine oil filters or a Wix or NAPA Gold which is a Wix. Wix is the only filter I've found that has a bypass pressure spec high enough to equal the Subaru filter. They spec a really high 24PSI. About the highest I can really recall seeing is 17PSI. Subie engineers place a high value on oil flow in these engines, so I'm inclined to believe they have the CVT covered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TGS View Post
    I mean, I owned an 05 WRX STi, which makes a WRX feel sluggish to the point they're basically two different cars regardless of being based on the Impreza.
    Not mine. I switched to a shifter kart after 2 years due to the glass transmission thing, something the sti did not suffer from. But, I was running a street touring class (street tires, relatively free suspension, intake and exhaust), and given the allowances I had for that car, it was a noisy and hilarious beast. At the time, street touring didn't have a class for the sti. Wasn't an option until there was a class made for it, the evo's, and a bunch of other interesting cars.

    Thing is, I never went comparing a Crosstrek/Legacy/Outback to that sort of thing. They're obviously going to prioritize different qualities. Looking at any Crosstrek/Legacy/Outback (CVT or not) with the perspective of autocross is sort of a non-starter. If you went into driving them with autocross in the back of your mind and comparing them to an 04 WRX...….ummm, I guess I don't really know what you were expecting to find.
    Ya, I didn't do any of that. I mentioned ownership as a way of implying a positive view of and familiarity with the brand.

    Owned a awd justy, too, 5sp. The cvt's they put in the later justy's were horrible as well. Also, most horrible oil changing experience of my life. Otherwise, it was a fine little car that was a hoot in the snow.

    I had driven CVTs from other manufacturers (primarily Nissan), and the Subie was by far the best CVT.
    Common ground! Nissan CVT's are the worst I've experienced.

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    Ha! @randyho, your comment about it being annoying to change oil just made me think of the most annoying thing about the last decade of Outbacks.....

    ....I don't care about any potential issues that may have been addressed with the CVT. I want to know if I can change a god damn headlight from the engine bay like a normal car instead of requiring the car go up on a lift.

    Fucking ridiculous, and probably the biggest thing that could dissuade me from buying another Subie if they haven't gotten themselves unfucked yet.
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