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    USPSA Division Equipment Rules (Guns)

    I'm thinking of playing gun games again and I never really paid attention to the equipment rules. I want to shoot an APX Centurion, which I don't see on the approved list. I want to use a weapon light since I'm cheap, holsters are expensive and I prefer to carry with one. As far as I can tell a functioning light puts me in open and a non-functioning light puts me in limited. Is this correct or am I sol with a wml? Does taking the battery out make the light "non-functioning"? Thanks.

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    The approved list only matters if youíre shooting one of the production divisions. Open and Ltd donít matter. A working light absolutely puts you in open. I donít know how much modification you need to do to the light to make it a ďweightĒ and not a light. Brian Enon Forums is the unofficial USPSA forum. Lots of good info there.
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    According to this thread you need to take the bulbs and battery out.

    https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/1...imited/page/2/
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    Is it really so much hassle to mount and unmount a light that you can't just take it off for matches and put it back on afterward? (No snark intended - I'm genuinely curious, as I don't own any WMLs, but I had the impression that mounting and unmounting them was a fairly quick process.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by olstyn View Post
    Is it really so much hassle to mount and unmount a light that you can't just take it off for matches and put it back on afterward? (No snark intended - I'm genuinely curious, as I don't own any WMLs, but I had the impression that mounting and unmounting them was a fairly quick process.)
    Then he would have to buy another holster, which is something he didnít want to do.

    If he wanted to stay in limited, it would be cheaper to buy a second holster instead of buying another light, gut it, and weight it. If he didnít care, he could just go to Open.

    Personally I see the benefit in having a specific gaming rig (belt, holster, mag pouches, etc.) as itís a more apples to apples comparison to whomever youíre competing against.

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    After seeing the APX Centurion isnít on the stupid production list I figured since Iím in limited anyways why not just use the WML. Removing the bulb and batteries is stupid. WMLs have become so common they should at least be allowed in limited and perhaps production. Someone would be quick to the scene with replicas that are made out of resin (like a blue gun, sort of like these: https://newbreedtactical.com/product...olding-drones/. In fact, itís says they mount. I wonder if theyíd stay put during recoil. Hmmm?

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    If you donít care about advancing up the classification ladder, just shoot what you carry and shoot in open. Years before Carry Optics was a thing I was shooting a 226/RMR combo in open shooting minor. Or a duty rig shooting limited minor with my duty gun. I had fun and that was what mattered to me. Plus it was a challenge. I tried to stay within 3-4 seconds of the good open shooters on each stage with my 226/RMR. I knew I was at a huge disadvantage with my setup, but it was my work gun and I didnít care.

    To an extent, I still shoot at a disadvantage. I mostly shoot CO with my carry gun. Which had always been a G19/229/P07 sized pistol against guys shooting G34s, CZ Shadows, Q5s or whatever. Iíd shoot from AIWB if theyíd let me.

    Now that Iím switching over to Glocks I may buy a true game gun, but still plan on shooting a lot with my duty/carry guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    If you donít care about advancing up the classification ladder, just shoot what you carry and shoot in open. Years before Carry Optics was a thing I was shooting a 226/RMR combo in open shooting minor. Or a duty rig shooting limited minor with my duty gun. I had fun and that was what mattered to me. Plus it was a challenge. I tried to stay within 3-4 seconds of the good open shooters on each stage with my 226/RMR. I knew I was at a huge disadvantage with my setup, but it was my work gun and I didnít care.

    To an extent, I still shoot at a disadvantage. I mostly shoot CO with my carry gun. Which had always been a G19/229/P07 sized pistol against guys shooting G34s, CZ Shadows, Q5s or whatever. Iíd shoot from AIWB if theyíd let me.

    Now that Iím switching over to Glocks I may buy a true game gun, but still plan on shooting a lot with my duty/carry guns.
    That's about where I am with it. I know I'm at a disadvantage but who cares, it's just for fun. If I did shoot open, can I have the battery in it or do I have to take it out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Cereal View Post
    That's about where I am with it. I know I'm at a disadvantage but who cares, it's just for fun. If I did shoot open, can I have the battery in it or do I have to take it out?
    Yes it can be functional.

    About the only thing you can't have in OPEN is full auto.

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    Deflave is right. Functional is fine. My local club used to let me shoot my SWAT rig back in the day - 228 w/CT laser grips and old school Surefire light/DG switch. Iíd kill the lights and shoot no lights w/ my laser and WML. it was an outlaw match and I shot w the Open guys. Lots of fun.
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