Gun enthusiasts / Trump haters: Would you vote for Bloomberg?

[TCinVA]

As one of Klobuchar's constituents, well, no she will not. She's all-in on Red Flags/Universal Background Checks/AWB schemes. Any judges appointed would reflect that view.
She was Hennepin County Attorney in the mid-1990s to early 2000's, and has a somewhat controversial history of railroading at least one teenage black fella into prison on murder charges (He's apparently no daisy, but not definitively a murdering bastard, either). This will become increasingly mentioned in the national media as the primary season drags on. She's also well-documented hereabouts as a terrible, easily enraged, vindictive boss.

So, yeah.

If ol' Amy ends up at the top of the ticket we're getting judges who pretend the 2nd amendment says something other than what it does. The idea that she'd be in any way shape or form pro gun is bullshit.

The democratic party has gone all in on gun control at the national level. They have not nominated a pro-gun candidate in at least a generation. There is no pro-gun candidate running for the democratic nomination right now.

And in Virginia we are currently reaping the reality of the democratic party's aims on guns. I'm not interested in promoting any of those assholes to higher levels of office, or to seeing any of their similarly minded compatriots elevated either.

[Bucky]

Let's get fucking real here:

Could Trump do more on the pro gun side? Absolutely.

Has he done anything more substantive than lip service? Absolutely.

Getting your reality warped because of intense dislike of the man to the point where you ignore shit that doesn't fit with your narrative is fucking stupid.

He said some truly dumb shit about red flag laws. He also appointed a bunch of pro 2A judges to federal courts and to the Supreme Court.

I'll take that over what anyone in the current democratic field, especially that malevolent fuckwit Bloomberg who is at this very moment trying to turn Virginians like me into fucking felons by bankrolling gun banning assholes, intends to do with power.

Some people think if you don’t make radical changes, you’re doing nothing regarding 2A. Has any president in the last 50 years been any better on 2A than Trump?

[TCinVA]

Some people think if you don’t make radical changes, you’re doing nothing regarding 2A. Has any president in the last 50 years been any better on 2A than Trump?

Neither of the Bushes were, certainly.

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/08/u...t-weapons.html

And Reagan signed the machinegun ban as part of the protection act.

The sad truth is that about 1/2 of the Republican party is as hostile to the 2nd amendment as the democratic party has decided to be. This is especially true in the Senate and under Paul Ryan's house.

Trump has a NY liberal's understanding of guns, but he is at least listening to the NRA.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Unless proactive steps are pushed and taken, the RKBA will be diminished. The urban/rural demographic changes and the moral panic over massacres and other horror shows will take their toll.

The judges have yet to actually do anything to roll back the state bans in a manner that sticks and sets precedent for the country. SCOTUS needs to step up in real time. Talk is not action. Legislative and executive actions could be taken as a priority.

Radical changes - what is that? Trying to roll back very destructive bans? Sorry for wanting action on our rights from someone you vote for.

[TCinVA]

Sorry for wanting action on our rights from someone you vote for.

What current candidate for POTUS is promising to be more proactive on the 2nd Amendment through legislation and regulation?

I voted for Alan Keyes in the 2000 primary and Ted Cruz in the 2016 primary.

Trump wasn't my first choice, but in terms of current options there isn't a better one.

[Borderland]

The fact is there has been no federal AG legislation signed into law for 25 years. That happened under Clinton. Trumps has no plans to actually promote anything that looks remotely pro gun. As a matter of fact he's been all over the board on UBC's and AWB/mag restrictions. He has advocated for ERPO's and put into place a ban that was nothing more than political grandstanding. Nobody will really know what his position on any of the most important AG legislation is until something hits his desk, which is unlikely. The same holds true of the two SC justices he appointed. There has been no cases of any importance for a decision so how does anyone know how they will rule.

The sky is falling, but it isn't falling due to federal legislation or court decisions. It's falling because of state legislation while people focus on federal legislation that never passes and presidential campaign promises that are soon forgotten once in office.

I wish people would get more involved at their state level and forget about the million dollar ad campaigns by presidential candidates and the NRA. Nothing is likely to change at the federal level.

[0ddl0t]

What current candidate for POTUS is promising to be more proactive on the 2nd Amendment through legislation and regulation?

http://www.samrobb2020.com/issues/gun-policy/

[Kyle Reese]

http://www.samrobb2020.com/issues/gun-policy/

Well, there’s a household name. You can’t swing a dead cat around here without hitting someone talking about Sam Robb and his campaign for President.


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[SLUZENE]

A: The https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...grees-with-me/ is 120 different ways of stupid:

Question 17/20: The government should make four years of college affordable for all families, including the wealthy.
With the 3 choices being 1: free 2: debt-free and 3: affordable?

That's one of 20 questions? And those are the 3 only possible answers? Garbage. And it seems any results you get after taking the test only include DEMS/REPUBs.

I am happy the survey was posted though.

B: http://www.samrobb2020.com/issues/gun-policy/ was brought up, then turned into comedy.

When people mock possible candidates that give a shit about the USA (my perception) because they "won't win" I visualize they are 5 year olds playing monopoly against their CPA degree parent intending to win and who interned under Mr. John Bogle.

If we cannot move from a system of lesser of two evils to one where we vote for the person we agree with the most due to non selfish reasons, we have lost and will continue to lose. I am not saying I have the answer, but people who mock a 3rd party they would agree with more don't seem to understand or at least respect the problem.

[CWM11B]

Let's get fucking real here:

Could Trump do more on the pro gun side? Absolutely.

Has he done anything more substantive than lip service? Absolutely.

Getting your reality warped because of intense dislike of the man to the point where you ignore shit that doesn't fit with your narrative is fucking stupid.

He said some truly dumb shit about red flag laws. He also appointed a bunch of pro 2A judges to federal courts and to the Supreme Court.

I'll take that over what anyone in the current democratic field, especially that malevolent fuckwit Bloomberg who is at this very moment trying to turn Virginians like me into fucking felons by bankrolling gun banning assholes, intends to do with power.

Well put. The bottom line is that at least since 1934, there has been a continual push to curb/eliminate the 2A and private gun ownership on the federal level. The fact that bills didnt get put in front of every POTUS to sign into law is probably a combination of luck and attached riders congressmen/senators couldn't agree to. Tell me what ANY president since FDR has done for the 2A.

The judicial branch cant do anything until cases are brought before them. They dont get to just wake up one day and say " Hey, this law is unconstitutional I'm just going to override it". A complaint in the form of a lawsuit or appeal has to come forward.
If the current bunch of communists/socialists get in, we can take it to the bank they will change the rules so they never lose power by election again. And all of us who frequent this board are going to be felons overnight. Try and fight them in court and you'll rot in jail and all of your firearms related property will be seized. The possibility of some of our tribe ending up dead is not out of the realm of possibility. And they arent going to care if you are one of the "good" gunowners who voted for Bernie and hate DJT regardless of what he does. If there was a way for me to sit and watch the dumpster fire that would become the USA if these would be tyrants had their way without being impacted, I would almost welcome it to watch as the magnitude and horror of getting what you asked for punches the masses right in the face.