That's basically what TGS was having me do this weekend. Thanks.
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That's basically what TGS was having me do this weekend. Thanks.
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Yes, but next weekend I'll give it a go again.Originally Posted by joshs
When I do ball and dummy drills, my idea is to not have any movement of the gun whatsoever when I hit a dummy. Any movement upon pulling the trigger is what I would consider anticipation and is extraneous, deleterious movement to proper shooting technique. Am I incorrect?
A more secure grip won't get the gun on target quicker, but it will reduce the amount the front sight moves from target. This is the purpose of a grip, and proper product of recoil control that I've learned thus far. Is this incorrect?
I agree in that any movement leading up to pulling the trigger is bad. But driving the gun down after the shot is fired I would consider timing the recoil. Are we on the same page here? I don't think I explained things very well in my first post.
Don't take my word for it. Watch the 5th shot in the second string at around :55 in this video. Dave's slide stop breaks and somehow the slide closes on an empty chamber. He drives the gun down after the trigger is pressed. This is an extreme example as he's shooting .40 SHO, but illustrates the effect pretty well I think...
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Correct, but some force has to move the gun back on target after it recoils. The closer in time with ignition this force is applied, the faster the sights will return to the target.
This thread has me completely baffled.
I don't know anything about shooting, so this quote is completely over my head.The gun doesn't recoil enough to matter.
Why does IPSC reward major power factor over minor if no gun recoils enough to matter? Totally lost
Interesting thoughts from Dave Re:
http://re-gun.com/2011/04/ball-and-dummy-for-dummies/
'Fighting the recoil' versus 'letting it happen', pre-ignition flinch and post-ignition flinch, timing, idea of the proper use of ball and dummy drills, etc.
Great video DonovanM! I've been researching into this topic recently, mainly on the Enos forum, but I'm glad to see it here.
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I give up. He explained it perfectly
Like I said, run some mag dumps or Bill Drills as fast as you can with a random dummy round in there... it'll let you know exactly what your body is doing to get the gun back on target.
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If you're just doing, say, a static drill then within reason the recoil doesn't matter much. Case in point, my bill drill times are virtually identical for 9mm and .40, both in the 1.8 second range last I practiced one. I do drive the gun harder in .40 as Donovan mentioned above.This thread has me completely baffled.
I don't know anything about shooting, so this quote is completely over my head.
Why does IPSC reward major power factor over minor if no gun recoils enough to matter? Totally lost
Where higher power factor really makes a difference is in all of the off balance stuff and shooting on the move that you have to do in the practical shooting sports. If you're not squared up behind the gun the higher PF ammo will push you around more, and that will effect your speed and accuracy.
Post ignition push is something Cooper described, and is the only concept that I originally heard from Cooper with which Rogers takes direct issue in his book. Haven't gotten to that part in Enos' book yet. I need to go re-read Rogers' thoughts on the matter, but I recall that he was adamant.
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We may be saying the same thing in different ways, but I don't like the way you're describing it. To me, "timing" the recoil implies a conscious act. In my experience, when people try to time it, they become more susceptible to anticipation.
I absolutely agree that it's happening, I just think it happens naturally (or develops naturally) and shouldn't be something people try to do.
Because it was developed by people who thought the .45 was king and the 9mm was for eunuchs. As for the practical difference, just look at the results from the past ten Limited and Single Stack national championships. What percentage of people are shooting Major? When is the last time someone shooting Minor won? The difference in recoil is far less of an impact than the scoring system suggests, thereby giving Major a tremendous advantage.Why does IPSC reward major power factor over minor if no gun recoils enough to matter? Totally lost
If I draw and try to fire an empty gun (that I thought was loaded) or have a misfire during a string of rapid fire, my muzzle will dip every single time. Since I know for a fact that I'm not anticipating every shot -- my groups and general performance make that pretty clear -- it's hard for me to imagine that I'm just coincidentally anticipating each time I get a click instead of bang.
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