The rear sight notch on the Holosun K series seems rudimentary but probably workable.Originally Posted by GJM
The rear sight notch on the Holosun K series seems rudimentary but probably workable.
Thanks to everyone for the replies and terrific information. Exactly the kind of input I was looking for! Lots to think about.
Thanks so much for the reply! You make a great point. Only reason I got the P365, rather than a service sized pistol, is that I wanted something that would work for church, dressy situations, when I'm out for a run on the ranch and when I'm in shorts and a t-shirt. It's very hot here in South Texas and when I'm not at the ranch I can often be found in clothing that either wouldn't cover or support (or both) a bigger pistol. Nevertheless, I absolutely 'get' your point and sure do see the wisdom in it. I want to keep the .40 because it's a great gun for me to take as protection at the ranch or when I go Elk/Mule deer/bear hunting. I'd rather have a .40 for bear and big hogs than 9mm. I guess that means I'll be shopping for another pistol! Lol! I know Sig is releasing (or already has) some new P320 models with optics or, at least, optic cuts; and there's always a Glock 19. Better choices? Maybe it's cheesy but I also find myself interested in this pistol: https://warriorpoetsociety.us/war-poet-pistol/ It seems like a good deal for all that's included.
I'm really only interested in EDC and not technical shooting. Don't get me wrong...I DO want to shoot a pistol much better than I do. BUT, between using a rifle for a lot of my work as a year-round guide and outfitter, my side work as a professional predator hunter and a healthy obsession with long range shooting I just don't have time to get obsessive about pistol. I say that... but I (obviously) have an obsessive personality when it comes to just about anything shooting related! Did I mention I also bow hunt? Lol! So, picking up an additional obsession would NOT be surprising. But I'm really fighting that urge. :/
Maybe I'm wrong... but since I'm fairly familiar with shooting a red dot as a backup/close range sight on a couple of my predator hunting rifles, I figured the transition to shooting them on a pistol might smooth out the learning curve a bit for me. I'm not a BAD pistol shot, I'm just not fast. LOL. I watch guys with so much control and the ability to shoot accurately at about 20x the speed it'd take me to be that accurate. Lots to learn.
Holosun got back to me before I came back to this thread and they told me that the footprint for the 507K uses, "the RMSc without the rear bosses."
Durability: I understand durability from the standpoint of surviving the ride on the slide and some banging around in a holster but when folks get to talking about banging a RDS into trees and rocks and barricades, I think they're doing things I'm not likely to do. Heck, I ride around some of the roughest roads you could imagine on the ranches I work and I'm about as rough as I can be with rifles I keep in the truck and drag all over kingdom come in the brush, hunting hard year-round, and I haven't broken a red dot or a scope in I don't know how long. I'm not going into combat except against some fur animals. Lol! I guess if I was doing some sort of 3-gun match or military style competitions I'd be looking for bullet proof; but I think most of these sights would last me for a good long while. No?
Listen to the Primary and Secondary podcast about pistol mounted RDS (Modcast 208). Lots of good information from very reliable sources. I know I learned a lot. And as a side note, I’m in a similar boat, I want to get a red dot on my pistol, everything I’ve read rates the RMR as the most reliable, and it seems like, surprisingly, the Holosun is just behind it.
For what it’s worth, when I decided last year to give a RDS service pistol a fair trial I went the easy way - a Glock 19.5 MOS with a 6.5 MOA RMR. I’m happy with my choice, to the point I’d like to start exploring more RDS on other guns. I’m just waiting for a higher quality compact sight, something like a RMRc.
Ken
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Shooting a handgun with an RDS is very different than shooting a rifle with an RDS. Having lots of experience with a rifle RDS isn't much help.
From the outside looking in as I do not yet have an RDS pistol- I see the Holosun as the intersection of quality and value. I see the Trijicon RMR as the best available solution if price is no object. Buy Quality-Cry Once. I would buy a Glock MOS gun and an RMR, follow the instructions on the thread re mounting the same, zero at 10 and drive on.
FWIW
FWIW, I have a dot on my MKII and like it. But that's a target pistol, not an EDC.
My impression after shooting a P-226 with the dot and without the dot is, it isn't going to improve your shooting at SD ranges <15 yds. I can shoot a P-226 WO a dot as well as I can with the dot. My buddy who owns those P-226's believes the dot helped him realize that it wasn't the sights or pistol that prevented him from shooting well, it was his inability to hold precisely on the target. Dot won't help you there.
Dots are fun. At 25 yds I can shoot my MKII better with a dot. I've never taken it off since I put it on. It adds a new fun dimension to target shooting but for EDC I'll pass.
My dot is Vortec Venom and it's GTG.
In the P-F basket of deplorables.
My impression, after putting 1475 rounds through a P-10F with irons and 1551 through same with a Trijicon RMR, is that the dot helps everywhere.
Hosing a single target 5 yards away is just as fast either way, but transitions between targets at that same distance are faster (for me) with an RDS. I always had a slight hesitation when transitioning what little focusing ability I have from the second target to the front sight. That hesitation is gone with the 100% target focus that an RDS provides. The advantage is small, but it's there.
That slight hesitation both in transitions and on the draw is even more noticeable past 7 yards and that's where the dot lets your vision really speed up.
Gotcha. I guess I'll just have to see. No doubt, there's no similarity between shooting a pistol and a long gun. I just figured my eye/brain would be pretty accustomed to identifying the dot and using it as a point of aim. I don't use my red dots for any target shooting - I use them for very fast shots on running coyotes at close range. Part of my job is hunting predators and where I work the brush is very thick. I use a shotgun a lot but lots of time I am expecting a rifle shot when a coyote comes blasting out of the brush at 15yds and I don't have time to switch. So, I just tilt my AR or lift my head slightly off my bolt rifle and use a 45º mounted red dot. I figured this rapid target acquisition would translate in some way to drawing a pistol and finding the dot - not shooting, but finding it. I hear that guys struggle with "acquiring" the dot on a pistol red dot.
I'm just hypothesizing here - I know nothing. LOL! I'll take your word on it. Thanks for the warning!
Thanks! A buddy came over the other day with a brand new P226 with the optics package, to let me shoot it. Unfortunately, his battery was dead and I got to shoot it but had to use the iron suppressor sights and didn't get any sense of what it'd be like to shoot with RDS. Ugh! Just my luck! Maybe he'll come back over. I sure liked how it felt in my hand. Only thing is, it seemed awful heavy for something to carry around all day in CC. That kinda made me think a Glock 19 Gen 5 MOS might be better for me. If only the Sig took Glock mags! <---- LOL! Total joke. Hahaha! I couldn't resist. Seems like everything takes Glock mags these days or else people want them to. haha!
I'm surprised nobody had anything to say about that "War Poet" pistol I linked. I kinda thought I'd get slammed for even suggesting that pistol. LMAO!
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