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    Quote Originally Posted by Borderland View Post
    That is ironic. Trump had to ask the Russians to help him. Bernie just gets it without asking. Does this mean we will have a socialist president in 2020?



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    I keep hearing people say things like "Trump would dominate Bernie in the general."

    Would he? Im not so sure. I live in a pretty red area and yet I have still came across quite a few Trump voters who have said they would vote for Bernie if he becomes the nominee.

    Personally, I hate Bernie and think he is a complete POS, but I also recognize that he has a very good chance of beating Trump if he becomes the nominee.

    Im not a huge Trump fan but a Bernie presidency would bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blues View Post
    Trump, a man who had no discernible identity as a Democrat nor a Republican, who essentially stood for nothing personally but his own brand, was in my view, simply a gun for hire, an ad man and carnival barker who would say whatever you wanted him to for the support promised. I don't believe the man has any fundamental beliefs beyond how they profit him or his family...

    ...and yet that was enough to gain my vote...because he wasn't Hillary, there was a chance he would "do no harm" re the 2nd Amendment, and possibly put some judges in so that we might actually get some judicial precedents supported by the spirit of the Constitution.

    But "for him" personally? I can only imagine others like him or with similar financial interests who could really be for him.

    He's basically running uncontested in this election...in my own personal view. (I know that's not the feeling around the country, as there are many millions who will turn up at the ballot box to challenge his incumbency.) I only wish there were a viable alternative that shared the values I treasure most about this country. He doesn't measure up in my view and I detest being faced with choosing the least worst option...again...or not choosing at all if it comes to it.

    An articulate representation of my own perspective, sir.

    How unfortunate that our country has come to such a time and circumstance, when genuine and well-considered patriotism (rather than the opportunistic rah-rah drum-beating faux sort) and belief in and stalwart support for our Constitution (rather than mere lip service toward it) are only remembered shadows, and the best choice that we're given as supposedly representing "our side" is a greedy and self-interested incumbent billionaire who gives every indication of being woefully ignorant of history and careless of ethics, against those alternative POTUS candidates who pander to newer generations' anticipation of a socialist utopia with "free everything" with never-ending handouts, and who view the Constitution not as a unique document setting forth carefully-considered guidelines and rules for enacting and retaining our freedoms, but as an outmoded and unreasonably restrictive parchment rag which limits their abilities to enact their "wiser" and "more-modern" policies.

    A truly awful Hobson's Choice for conservatively-inclined adults (some of whom have been around as far back as the presidencies of Truman and Eisenhower, and remember qualities like honor and dignity in a President), since they will either vote for Trump or simply refrain from voting, but obviously without enthusiasm in either case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph View Post
    That may be so, but many of those bureaucrats were appointed by the elected critters, So, IMO, they’re cut from the same cloth..
    I don't worry much about the politically appointed heads and deputies, but the unelected directors of, for example, HR, budget, personnel etc.. for any 'insert your acronym here' agency wield an enormous amount of power over regular folks that congress critters rarely have any clue about, and those bureaucrats are constantly in the lobbying to civil service revolving door. The only members of congress that could exercise meaningful oversight over the bureaucrats are those who have been there long enough to figure out the labyrinth that is bureaucratic DC. Not only does that take an incredibly long time (as in 8 years minimum), but by that time the politician has likely become an insider and supporter of that system, while the newly elected one is floundering, trying to figure out which way is up.
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    For your amusement and a bit of edification:










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    Quote Originally Posted by SAWBONES View Post
    An articulate representation of my own perspective, sir.

    How unfortunate that our country has come to such a time and circumstance, when genuine and well-considered patriotism (rather than the opportunistic rah-rah drum-beating faux sort) and belief in and stalwart support for our Constitution (rather than mere lip service toward it) are only remembered shadows, and the best choice that we're given as supposedly representing "our side" is a greedy and self-interested incumbent billionaire who gives every indication of being woefully ignorant of history and careless of ethics, against those alternative POTUS candidates who pander to newer generations' anticipation of a socialist utopia with "free everything" with never-ending handouts, and who view the Constitution not as a unique document setting forth carefully-considered guidelines and rules for enacting and retaining our freedoms, but as an outmoded and unreasonably restrictive parchment rag which limits their abilities to enact their "wiser" and "more-modern" policies.

    A truly awful Hobson's Choice for conservatively-inclined adults (some of whom have been around as far back as the presidencies of Truman and Eisenhower, and remember qualities like honor and dignity in a President), since they will either vote for Trump or simply refrain from voting, but obviously without enthusiasm in either case.
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    Well, the one net positive that we’ll see if Bernie wins the nomination and general election is no more grousing about the Bad Orange Man. It’ll be endless praise for our new Chairman, right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Reese View Post
    Well, the one net positive that we’ll see if Bernie wins the nomination and general election is no more grousing about the Bad Orange Man. It’ll be endless praise for our new Chairman, right?


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    Here's why the DNC will allow Bernie to get the nomination...

    The establishment wing of the Democratic party despises the Bernie/AOC radical socialist wing of their party. If Bernie has the most of delegates, but not enough to win on the first ballot, the DNC will do a harsh political calculation. The DNC will realize that the Democrats will lose badly to Trump, regardless of which weak candidate that they nominate. The DNC will then decide to just go ahead and give the nomination to Bernie via the superdelegates (which they don't have to do).
    Here's why. When Bernie goes down to a Trump landslide, and he will, the Democrats can say "See, we tried a socialist and America rejected him in spades, so let's get back to establishment candidates to give us a chance going forward." That profound loss will allow the Democrat establishment to jettison their radical wing to the back bench again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blues View Post
    "Curb Your Enthusiasm" will become the official TV show through which the exalted leader communicates with the public.
    The one and only one consolation if Bernie wins will be seeing Larry David’s impression of him on SNL every week.

    Perhaps another one - things will go so badly for 4 years that we’ll have put socialism to bed for the next 50 years.

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