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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyGBiv View Post
    Splitting the vote when Independent Bernie runs against Democrat Pick-One would guarantee a Trump win.
    That may occur anyway.

    Even if the Dems stick with Sanders (if he gets the needed delegates), there is nothing stopping Bloomberg from continuing to run as an independent himself. He certainly seems to have enough money to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the Schwartz View Post
    That may occur anyway.

    Even if the Dems stick with Sanders (if he gets the needed delegates), there is nothing stopping Bloomberg from continuing to run as an independent himself. He certainly seems to have enough money to do that.
    I would THINK he's savvy enough to know that a 3-way race between Trump, Bloomy and Bernie is a losing proposition for him. Given his awful debate performance to date, he's not going to get many R's to jump ship and he's certainly not going to get Bernies base to vote for him. Not to mention his troubles with stop and frisk and NDA's alienating more voters.

    But... since he was demonstrably unprepared for his first debate and under-performed at his second.... He certainly may be capable of throwing more stupid money on an Independent run that's sure to fail. It was amazing to see him spend >$400M on ads, but not be ready to answer obvious questions about his past. Was that ignorance or hubris?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidheshooter View Post
    This is so damn weird. We’ve got Bernie defending himself from a guy like Bloomberg for casting an (essentially) pro-capitalism vote.

    And now Bernie is the gun nut and nra toady? Looks like the left believed all those "socialist wave" ads about as much as Glenn did.
    Yeah, his vote to limit suits against gun mfg's is 100% spot on. Not because they mfg. guns but because the big ones are publicly held companies. And even if they were privately held like Bloomberg LP it wouldn't matter because they would also be liable. How would Bloomberg feel if congress decided to go after media companies by opening the doors to private lawsuits just because.

    Shits getting deep here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyGBiv View Post
    I would THINK he's savvy enough to know that a 3-way race between Trump, Bloomy and Bernie is a losing proposition for him. Given his awful debate performance to date, he's not going to get many R's to jump ship and he's certainly not going to get Bernies base to vote for him. Not to mention his troubles with stop and frisk and NDA's alienating more voters.

    But... since he was demonstrably unprepared for his first debate and under-performed at his second.... He certainly may be capable of throwing more stupid money on an Independent run that's sure to fail. It was amazing to see him spend >$400M on ads, but not be ready to answer obvious questions about his past. Was that ignorance or hubris?
    I think both hubris and ignorance are work with Bloomberg. It is quite common for those with vast material wealth to believe themselves invulnerable, immutable, and inviolable. I can see him doing so (continuing on as an "independent") out of spite, to punish the Dems for discarding him. Being that he and Trump are cut from a similar cloth I really do not think that Bloomberg is all that too terribly worried about a second Trump term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the Schwartz View Post
    That may occur anyway.

    Even if the Dems stick with Sanders (if he gets the needed delegates), there is nothing stopping Bloomberg from continuing to run as an independent himself. He certainly seems to have enough money to do that.
    Maybe he should try that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borderland View Post
    Maybe he should try that.
    Nothing would delight me more. Can you imagine the gnashing of teeth and wailing that would come from the Democratic Party should he decide to do so?

    If he does, get your earplugs ready.

    Course it would set us up for an entirely new set of memes, "Bloomberg didn't kill himself."
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    Quote Originally Posted by the Schwartz View Post
    Nothing would delight me more. Can you imagine the gnashing of teeth and wailing that would come from the Democratic Party should he decide to do so?

    If he does, get your earplugs ready.
    The DNC has some soul searching to do here.
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    DNC should contact LL. I think we have this one in the sights.
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    The DNC is most likely going to act in self defense. That meaning defense of the entrenched power structure within the party.

    Bernie losing the general election big leaves the Clinton/Pelosi/Schumer types in power within the party. Bernie winning the general would severely damage their positions of power within the party and their resulting ability to use those positions of power to continue their current profiteering off the system as it exists.

    That is why James Carville has arisen from his crypt to go on TV and talk about "the end of days"...because it would absolutely mean the end of days for his crowd.

    While they have been able to effectively hamstring a lot of Trump's goals through leveraging bureaucratic power centers carefully built over the Clinton and Obama administrations (Because Bush didn't do jack shit to fix them and indeed made some of them worse as one can plainly see by looking at the DOJ), those very same power centers would be helpless against attacks from the prog leftist activists that are going to be riding along on his election. That guy Project Veritas caught on camera talking about getting the gulags back into business is going to have a job in the White House. Just like he still has a job on Bernie's campaign.

    A Trump cleanup in the second term is not going to be anywhere near as thorough as Bern's activist scorched earth will be should he be elected in the general. It's not so much Bernie that worries them as it is the plainly salivating activist types who will be utterly relentless should they get into influential positions. They aren't really enthusiastic about the sort of people who think they deserve a bunk in the gulag right next to Trump officials.

    Their problem is that the prog leftists aren't going away. They won't be bought off or placated. They think their time is now and the days of half measures and pretending to be centrist are over. At least part of that has been made possible by the relentless hyperventilation over Trump. Once you've succeeded in convincing these people that Trump is basically Hitler, it's really hard to get them to calm down again.

    It's especially difficult when one of the world's richest men bought his way on to the debate stage and said he "bought" congressmen.

    If they nominate Bernie, he's most likely going to lose in a general election and hopefully they can regain the support of the disaffected Bernie supporters once they've taken it on the chin in the general.

    If they do what Democrats often do, playing games with elections and Bernie doesn't get the nomination because of "super delegates", they actually make the prog leftists stronger.

    Of course, given how poorly they've fared in their genius efforts to try and take out Trump it's entirely possible that they don't see that and will fuck it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blues View Post
    I just don't see a path forward (thankfully) for some of the more "radical" of the leftist agenda being tossed around during these debates and town hall meetings.

    "How're you going to pay for it?" "Dunno."

    Unless the Republicans in congress are unassed by a swarm of Dems favoring AOC-like policies, I don't see how a socialist leaning president gets any of this stuff through congress. Executive orders won't cover the types of changes being proposed.

    I see political stagnation in our future. (Which is often better than the alternative...regardless of the frustration which ensues.)
    You're obviously underestimating the power of Twitter and Fox.
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