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    Quote Originally Posted by NH Shooter View Post
    You can drain the swamp, but without term limitations the swamp critters remain.
    I agree, until term limits are in place, the swamp is going to continue on.. At least with term limits, we the people, can get a change up every so often, and then there’s the possibility that without having to worry about getting re-elected, Congress could actually get things done besides endless investigations, and impeachment attempts, you know, actually take care of the country’s business/issues that need addressed.. But, who am I fooling.. the pigs in congress are never going to vote themselves away from the trough..

    Honestly, at this point, I see change coming in one of two ways..
    A. When the money runs out, and the EBT cards quit working, expect rioting within days of that happening.
    B. From the end of a rifle barrel.. this is, IMO the least preferable option, as what happens after, is anyone’s guess, But, could easily devolve into this as a result of “A” above..
    The point is, change is likely to come from force, rather than voluntarily..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph View Post
    I agree, until term limits are in place, the swamp is going to continue on..
    The "swamp" is not primarily made of up of elected critters but rather bureaucrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wondering Beard View Post
    The "swamp" is not primarily made of up of elected critters but rather bureaucrats.
    That may be so, but many of those bureaucrats were appointed by the elected critters, So, IMO, they’re cut from the same cloth..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe in PNG View Post
    I knew a lot of people in early 2016 who were seriously sold on MAGA and Drain The Swamp, and not just Beat Hillary. They may have not liked his crass ways, but they liked what he was selling, and supported him. The Hillary thing was enough to put him over.

    This kind of positive support is what is essential. While Beat the Other Party is an important factor, it alone is not a winning strategy. Beat Obama didn't work for Romney in 2012, and Beat Bill didn't work for Dole in 96. And Bill didn't run on Beat George in 92- he sold himself and what he could do.
    In a very small sample size here in Ohio, nearly every conservative I knew in 2016 either voted anti-Hilary or third party. Of the 100 or so people I knew voting for Trump, only 2 were voting pro-Trump in 2016 (rather than just anti-Hilary). Nearly all of them are voting pro-Trump in 2020, I just never saw that from nearly anyone in 2016.



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    Donald must've really pissed Vlad off by fucking with the German gas line. Since Vlad has this penchant for subtlety, like leaving traces of Russian military grade radioactive shit or gas around, I'd take this as another subtle message to all interested parties.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh Runkle View Post
    In a very small sample size here in Ohio, nearly every conservative I knew in 2016 either voted anti-Hilary or third party. Of the 100 or so people I knew voting for Trump, only 2 were voting pro-Trump in 2016 (rather than just anti-Hilary). Nearly all of them are voting pro-Trump in 2020, I just never saw that from nearly anyone in 2016.
    Central Florida was just the opposite. There was a LOT of enthusiastic pro-Trump people in my personal circle, and lots of folks sporting bumper stickers & yard signs long before the convention.

    I should mention that I was not happy about voting for the guy until it was time to mark the ballot, so I did get a chance to have a lot of arguments with supporters, both in real life and online.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blues View Post
    I only wish there were a viable alternative that shared the values I treasure most about this country. He doesn't measure up in my view and I detest being faced with choosing the least worst option...again...or not choosing at all if it comes to it.
    Amen, Brother Blues.

    I foresee a second election (in my voting lifetime) where I look at the General Election candidates and say, with a heavy heart “is this really the best we can do?”

    I want to apply a higher standard than “who will do the least damage to our country in the next four years?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by YVK View Post
    Donald must've really pissed Vlad off by fucking with the German gas line. Since Vlad has this penchant for subtlety, like leaving traces of Russian military grade radioactive shit or gas around, I'd take this as another subtle message to all interested parties.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html
    This might be deeply concerning had we not just lived through four fucking years of Russian paranoia fueled by the DOJ and the "intelligence community" fabricating a bunch of shit.

    In the intervening years and with all the multitudinous investigations we have since learned that claims that the DNC got "hacked" by the Russians rely on the statements of a politically connected DNC contractor and nothing was ever independently verified by the FBI because the DNC wouldn't allow their servers to be examined. Which might have been useful seeing as how the person at the top of the D ticket had actually destroyed evidence in a previous investigation, but whatevs.

    They got a "dossier" full of nonsense from a foreigner...who, got a lot of the information from a known Russian disinformation specialist...and then broke several laws in the effort to use that as the basis of a warrant to spy on a political campaign predicated on the fear of "russian collusion!". Key figures then selectively leaked information from these investigations to the media, and lied to federal investigators about having done so. Crimes they were referred for criminally, but surprise surprise...nobody seems inclined to prosecute them.

    Meanwhile a staffer on the Senate Intelligence Committee leaks what turns out to have been AN ILLEGALLY OBTAINED WARRANT to his reporter girlfriend despite the fact that this was still classified information. He gets caught, lies to investigators, gets charged with a series of serious crimes, and his lawyers file notice to call a bunch of senators from the SIC to testify. Shortly thereafter a letter emerges from that senate committee requesting lenience for the poor dear and he gets a slap on the wrist for worse shit than Roger Stone or Mike Flynn did. But whatevs.

    As a consequence of all this leaking (that the officials lied about) we get a special counsel "investigation" that we were promised for years was drawing the noose around Donald Trump and was going to expose him as the Russian "asset" he was. Or at least that's what Rachel Maddow, Adam Schiff, and CNN said. Every. Goddamn. Day.

    Only to find out in July that nah, that was never the case.

    So color me 9 flavors of fucking skeptical about the Russian threat narrative suddenly emerging yet again when the DC club doesn't like how the election is shaping up.

    I wouldn't make Bernie Sanders dog catcher. He would be an unmitigated disaster as a president. Dude can't even keep control of a microphone against half naked vegans.

    But I would much rather see Breadline Bernie elected than allow this cabal of oath-violating fucksticks to continue to fuck with elections. If Bernie gets elected, at least people's votes matter. But if this cabal of fucking traitors doesn't get cleaned up then votes don't fucking matter anymore.

    Russian facebook ads are nowhere near the level of threat that the PROVEN OUTRIGHT CRIMINALITY taking place in the "intelligence community" and the DOJ is.

    The only help Breadline Bernie is getting from the Russians is the decades of communist agitprop that has been fed into our country (lest anyone forget how many important government, academic, and media figures were on the KGB payroll) by the actual communists. Most of whom are dead now, even though their poison lives on. The fact that people actually believe communism is a good idea helps Bernie out. But that's about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph View Post
    That may be so, but many of those bureaucrats were appointed by the elected critters, So, IMO, they’re cut from the same cloth..
    What we have at the moment is the bureaucrats using their powers to try and make sure they have control over who gets elected and what they can do once in office.

    Like Lt. Colonels on the NSC trying to get investigations started because the guy elected to be president disagrees with the "inter agency consensus" on something.
    3/15/2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by YVK View Post
    Donald must've really pissed Vlad off by fucking with the German gas line. Since Vlad has this penchant for subtlety, like leaving traces of Russian military grade radioactive shit or gas around, I'd take this as another subtle message to all interested parties.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html
    That is ironic. Trump had to ask the Russians to help him. Bernie just gets it without asking. Does this mean we will have a socialist president in 2020?
    In the P-F basket of deplorables.

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