Sigh... Not judgmental at all in my estimation - simply stating facts. Let’s just say PF people are, generally, above-average in most ways, and I generally experience disappointment and exasperation when coming in to contact with most other folks purported to be gun people. The chasm between those who populate this board and “the average” gun-owner is jaw dropping. And don’t dare try to nudge them in a better direction... The Kel Tec is strong with them. (Most of) Ya’ll have spoilt me and created unrealistic (apparently) expectations.