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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn E. Meyer View Post
    I already know that Democrats will not support anything other than rich guys having O/U shotguns. So what. Thus, we should give up on pressuring the supposed supporters of gun rights from being proactive?

    If Congress folk do propose positive legislation, I expect strong and vocal support for that legislation at a minimum. You can excuse Donald, Ryan (when he caved) and Mitch all you want and just bitch about known anti gun folks.

    You don't think getting a positive, enhancement based message out there, isn't good. The only thing we see are vague defenses, send a check.


    I give no politicians who ignore the constitution a pass, and yes I believe on spreading a positive message which I’ve yet to see from you Glenn. You come off as a cranky old man instead of what we know your background to be.

  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by RevolverRob View Post
    Civil War?

    Let me repeat that - Civil War?

    Stop reading the boogaloo shit.

    Go outside and breath some fresh air and turn off the talk radio.

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    More than half our population is obese and/or has diabetes and heart disease. Our kids can barely fucking read. 80% of Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck and you think there is a fucking civil war imminent? People are working to survive they don't give a shit about your guns most Americans don't give a shit about Planned Parenthood and abortion. These are talking points for ultra wealthy elite who control our society and government to get wealthier through war and fear mongering. The fucking elite have no interest in a Civil War, it doesn't make them money.

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    Civil Fucking War they're talking about.

    You must not be paying attention to what’s going on in Virginia. It’s the test bed for potential confiscation inside Virginia that can expand to other states. Bad things can potentially escalate from there however it’s labeled and we all lose.

    For you to downplay the potential of this is mind numbing, and you’re speaking to someone of an indigenous background where my direct ancestors had their firearms confiscated and most were wiped out by the government one way or another. We were declared officially extinct and they were wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Hands View Post
    You must not be paying attention to what’s going on in Virginia. It’s the test bed for potential confiscation inside Virginia that can expand to other states. Bad things can potentially escalate from there however it’s labeled and we all lose.
    I am paying close attention to Virginia.

    And Civil War is not imminent.

    Civil War is the end result of a failed legislative, judicial, and governmental system, not the second step following passage of a law that won't survive judicial review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevolverRob View Post
    I am paying close attention to Virginia.

    And Civil War is not imminent.

    Civil War is the end result of a failed legislative, judicial, and governmental system, not the second step following passage of a law that won't survive judicial review.

    Label it whatever you want, we’re looking at the government using the National Guard to assist in confiscation of legally acquired firearms from legal gun owners. And if the government is successful here, this can happen anywhere else in the United States.

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    I am cranky about this issue. Crankiness in defense of the RKBA is no vice. I'm annoyed by the past lost opportunities.

    I am an old man now. I lived through the AWB and saw it go. Now it is coming back on the state levels. I live under it. Will I see them go or expand?

    Why do the good people of VA have to go through this? That's more a philosophical question then ask for a replay of how it happened. I understand that.

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    JMO the best thing we can do for the RKBA in America is put term limits on the House , the Senate and the Supreme Court (10 years). It will neve happen but that's IMO the best thing we can do to get the idea across to Congress that they are not the new American Nomenklatura
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Hands View Post
    Label it whatever you want, we’re looking at the government using the National Guard to assist in confiscation of legally acquired firearms from legal gun owners. And if the government is successful here, this can happen anywhere else in the United States.
    Label it whatever I want?

    Okay. Stupid.

    There, I labeled it.

    Words and terms having meaning. Civil war is one of the most serious terms in existence, it goes beside rebellion, insurrection, sedition, and treason. I'm not saying people in Virginia should not fight for their rights, you should. Nor am I saying you shouldn't be willing to physically fight for them. But if a civil war comes to pass our entire republic is done. This is not something to be taken lightly, bandied about, or even considered in a passing way. It is a very serious statement with broad and massive results.

    Think hard about it, a civil war is a fractured union. A fractured union means the suspension of the Constitution, actual fighting and blood in the streets. It means our children are drafted to fight like child soldiers, because the laws cease to have meaning. It means our mothers, daughters, sisters, wives are raped and enslaved, and/or our homes and towns pillaged by enemies. In means "interment" camps. It means Sherman's March to the Sea plays out in a world with nuclear-fucking-weapons and JDAMs.

    This isn't a fucking game. The boogaloo bois have it wrong if they think a few shots will solve this. We aren't talking the French Revolution where we just execute the heads of state, and even if we were, France had TEN different ruling eras between 1789 and 1914 after the dissolution of the French monarchy following the Revolution of 1789. In effect, ten revolutions in 125 years. Is that what you want? Is that really what you want?

    If not - get out there and redouble the efforts to find a peaceful solution for this problem. Put the thoughts of a civil war out of your mind and focus on peaceful solutions until ALL the other options are exhausted.
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    RR, I do not want it to happen. Yes I know it’s serious and like I said above, “we all lose.”
    In Virginia it’s peaceful protest and disobedience but it’s evolving past that as we speak.
    I’m on the other side of the country with our own personal constitutional fight that we live and breathe daily.
    I’ve said it for awhile that if the rest of the country stood up and helped us fight here in California it would limit the ability to spread. Instead the typical remarks were to the affect of, “It will never happen here” and “You got what you voted for” (I guess that’s why we had Obama twice?).

    From the looks of the VCDL, they are showing resistance with numbers we’ve never achieved here in California and with much more organization.
    From their FB post:

    “IMPORTANT REQUEST: We need 10,000 patriots to fill the Capitol grounds for Monday's rally!

    Unfortunately, the Virginia Supreme Court just said they did not have enough information on the stay denied by the lower court to issue their own stay, so the Governor's illegal gun-ban on Capitol grounds is going to stand for this event.

    Here is what we need to do on Monday to make the rally a success:

    DETAILS:
    VCDL needs at least 10,000 members/gun owners to commit to "taking one for the team'" by entering the Capitol grounds unarmed around 10 am and being in place for the rally by 10:45 am. Those who were lobbying will already be unarmed, so we urge them to be part of the 10,000 inside the fencing. NOTE: knives with folding metal blades less than 3-inches long are ARE permitted both in the General Assembly AND on the Capitol grounds.
    For every one gun owner on the Capitol grounds, we need another two to five people outside the Capitol grounds's fence on 9th Street. Those doing so can be legally armed.
    If you can commit to being one of our needed 10,000 unarmed members inside the fence, please help us by asking several of your family and friends to be your designated armed escort to the gates and to stand outside the fenced area to watch over us.

    WHY:

    We are separating our responsibilities, in this otherwise untenable and unconstitutional situation foisted on gun owners by Northam. Gun owners standing, both inside and outside of the fence, ensure that the Capitol grounds and the surrounding area is filled to capacity to hear our speakers and it will make a great visual for the cameras!

    For those who are going to be on the Capitol grounds, the less items you bring along, the quicker and more efficient the screening.

    VCDL will have loudspeakers so that those outside the fence will be able to hear. The event will also be broadcast live on WRVA radio, 1140 AM /96.1 FM.

    IMPORTANT:

    We ask everyone to follow the temporary Capitol grounds rules. There is NO need for an act of civil disobedience to achieve standing for a court fight. We already have standing.

    We still will have our day in court to fully debate the governor's unconstitutional overreach in just a few short weeks.

    Thank you very much for your support and understanding. The Governor and his cronies would like nothing better than to see the Capitol grounds empty, with the speakers talking only to themselves. We simply cannot let that happen.

    PLEASE CHOOSE ONE:

    Arrive temporarily UNARMED and go INSIDE the fenced area on the Capitol grounds or
    Stand with us, LEGALLY ARMED if you so choose, just OUTSIDE the fence and watch over your brothers and sisters inside the fence
    Either way, we'll see you there!

    FINAL NOTE:

    Monday is going to be a day of lobbying, with a peaceful rally. All law-abiding citizens are invited. The Capitol, State, and Richmond police forces will be providing strong security. We thank them in advance for helping make sue that the event is a safe and fun event.

    Thank you. PVC“

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    I am not a constitutional scholar I don't know all that much about political science but I am absolutely positive that if America ever gets into an actual Civil War the rest of the world is not going to just stand by and let us figure things out on our own.

    I don't care what anybody says they will be over here trying to pick the carcass clean first chance they get.

    I also agree with Rob. First shot and you can kiss your Constitutional Republic good bye.
    Last edited by Cypher; 01-19-2020 at 01:55 PM.
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  10. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by RevolverRob View Post
    Think hard about it, a civil war is a fractured union. A fractured union means the suspension of the Constitution
    How do you not consider us a fractured union? How do you consider Northam’s gun ban a suspension of the constitution (there’s a 2012 law that makes it illegal)?

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