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    If target focus works just fine (and I believe it does), why, are a lot of visually challenged older shooters running for the dots? Aside from the coaching aspects of the dot that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc_Glock View Post
    If target focus works just fine (and I believe it does), why, are a lot of visually challenged older shooters running for the dots? Aside from the coaching aspects of the dot that is.
    Well, (I'm a Distinguished/Super Senior) I could shoot pretty well with soft focus sights, but took extra time trying to get my irons lined up, so used corrective lenses. Moved on to red dots and found my irons improved too, which I contributed to being "taught" by the red dot.

    I'm going to work on target focus with irons and do some evaluating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ER_STL View Post

    @YVK, were you looking through your sites or over them? Curious...
    Through the sites. I saw a blurry front sight inside even blurrier rear window, and was fighting the habit of trying to see the front sight clear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc_Glock View Post
    If target focus works just fine (and I believe it does), why, are a lot of visually challenged older shooters running for the dots?
    Dot's easier. You still need to see the front sight, albeit blurry, and you do need to have it within rear notch when shooting irons target focused.
    “Well," said Pooh, "what I like best," and then he had to stop and think. Because although Eating Honey was a very good thing to do, there was a moment just before you began to eat it which was better than when you were, but he didn't know what it was called.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc_Glock View Post
    If target focus works just fine (and I believe it does), why, are a lot of visually challenged older shooters running for the dots? Aside from the coaching aspects of the dot that is.
    Because reflex sights offer a reference point projected out into the same focal plane as the target.

    No matter how you slice it, that's easier for the brain to process than some tiny, blurry reference marks on top of your pistol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha Sierra View Post
    Because reflex sights offer a reference point projected out into the same focal plane as the target.
    The dot doesn't leave the focal plane of a glass. You're still reconciling two different focal planes, target and glass. We don't think of it but in reality the dot is just like a big bright fiberoptic that doesn't need to be referenced to the rear sight's notch.
    “Well," said Pooh, "what I like best," and then he had to stop and think. Because although Eating Honey was a very good thing to do, there was a moment just before you began to eat it which was better than when you were, but he didn't know what it was called.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YVK View Post
    The dot doesn't leave the focal plane of a glass.
    The reticle's image is physically at the reflector lens. But the brain perceives it to be in the same plane as the target

    At least that's how I understand how the brain interprets visual input.

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    Probably. It just suddenly occurred to me recently that, from pure visual / physiologic standpoint, to shoot the dot we still have to see something that's located just a couple inches south of a front sight.
    “Well," said Pooh, "what I like best," and then he had to stop and think. Because although Eating Honey was a very good thing to do, there was a moment just before you began to eat it which was better than when you were, but he didn't know what it was called.

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    Did some messing around with this at the range today. First pic is sighted fire, comparing 124 to 147.

    Second pic is target focus, crystal clear 'X' and blurry but aligned sights. This is just at 10-12 yards as the target stands are frozen in the snow. I stuck an 'A' zone (Amazon box flap) in the snow at about 20 yards and went 5/5 with a softer than normal FS focus but more of a pattern than a group.

    More experiments require, and I'll stick with the dot for now but it gives me something to work on with irons.
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    Front sight - press

    I shot El Pres twice today with my CO Shadow2. It was cold, and my reloads sucked. But the results were interesting with regard to this discussion. First run was with the optic on, target focus of course. 2nd run was dot off, target focus.

    Dot on: 48 points / 5.22s = 9.2HF

    Dot off: 50 points / 5.33s = 9.4HF
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norville View Post
    I stuck an 'A' zone (Amazon box flap) in the snow at about 20 yards and went 5/5 with a softer than normal FS focus but more of a pattern than a group.
    Without a distinctive aiming reference on that, a "pattern" is normal.

    Try it with an actual B8 down there and see how it do. Goal is just keep the irons in the black, work the trigger.
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