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    Quote Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's View Post
    How friendly is your local prosecutor? If your shoot is on the bubble of good shoot/questionable shoot do you think questions might be asked about hand loaded double projectile ammunition?
    I was thinking that I'd like to sit in the gallery when a case involving the use of such a handload is tried.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but my impression is that the consensus of the experts who do court work on such things is that one would be wise to stick to commonly-available, factory-loaded ammunition for self-defense loadings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephanie B View Post
    Maybe I'm wrong, but my impression is that the consensus of the experts who do court work on such things is that one would be wise to stick to commonly-available, factory-loaded ammunition for self-defense loadings.
    Your impression is correct.
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    The idea of two projectiles goes back to muzzle loading era. The Army played around with duplex rifle bullets, of which was said by Ray Meketa "The lesson of Project SALVO was that nothing works quite as well as a conventional rifle, chambered for a conventional cartridge, firing one bullet at a time."

    If two bullet loads had been all that, we'd all be using them now.



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    Quote Originally Posted by pettypace View Post
    Another bad thing would be ganging up on the new kid like a bunch of junior high girls. That would be a bad thing if it were actually happening in this thread.
    Don't be such a candy ass.

    You put your ideas out for discussion on a public forum. Nobody has to agree with them.
    Don’t blame me. I didn’t vote for that dumb bastard.

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    Ahem......

    Murder board:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_board

    https://scopetraining.com.au/busines...-murder-board/

    See also, "hot wash":

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotwash

    https://training.fema.gov/is/flupan/...20form-508.pdf

    The important thing to remember is that both procedures are a critical examination of ideas and actions. The person or persons presenting ideas must have a strong stomach and willingness to see their proposal undergo critical review.

    In other words, people tear apart your stuff to make it better. I brought murder boards and hot washes to my present employer. They have worked well, but EVERYONE had to be willing to incorporate the critical thinking required.

    The purpose is to improve. That requires removing emotion, and employing logic. Or as I told my minions: "Ya gotta be Spock.

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    I have been on the receiving end of numerous murder boards. It’s a humbling experience, but it does improve your product and the more of them you go through, the less incoming you receive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousStudent View Post
    Ahem......

    Murder board:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_board

    https://scopetraining.com.au/busines...-murder-board/

    See also, "hot wash":

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotwash

    https://training.fema.gov/is/flupan/...20form-508.pdf

    The important thing to remember is that both procedures are a critical examination of ideas and actions. The person or persons presenting ideas must have a strong stomach and willingness to see their proposal undergo critical review.

    In other words, people tear apart your stuff to make it better. I brought murder boards and hot washes to my present employer. They have worked well, but EVERYONE had to be willing to incorporate the critical thinking required.

    The purpose is to improve. That requires removing emotion, and employing logic. Or as I told my minions: "Ya gotta be Spock.
    Those brought back some great and really bad memories! Having your peers and bosses honestly and without ego or agenda take you and your material apart is one of the best things that can happen to you (though it doesn't seem that way at the time). It was a foundation at the most professional training operation I ever worked at.
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    Indeed. It does help if you volunteer to be the first person to "walk the fire".

    Afterwards, I make a point to take the team out for BBQ and tasty beverages. I usually bring a small notepad to that session as well, because there are always valuable nuggets that can be mined. People might be "afraid" of contributing something during the actual meeting, but will pull you aside and tell you afterwards. Never forget that informal debrief step, if at all possible.

    And as the Romans mentioned "in vino, veritas."

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    ETA: There is a reason that Ten-50 BBQ serves BBQ, alcohol and open WiFi. I have solved many an issue in their bar.

    And their big napkins are easy to draw on.

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    Every major military and manufacturer that has explored duplex rounds has declined to pursue the option further after testing.

    I don’t understand the motivation for converting a predictable, accurate option into a less-powerful version of the already-marginal Judge/Governor concept.

    I appreciate the innovation and experimentation but, in this instance, I am not seeing anything other than liabilities (low-sectional-density projectiles, low velocity, reduced predictable penetration, less accuracy).
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