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    The Horowitz DOJ report is out!

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    TL/DR

    Pg xiii
    While we did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of
    intent ional misconduct on the part of the case agents
    who assisted OI in preparing the applications, or the
    agents and supervisors who performed the Woods
    Procedures, we also did not receive satisfactory
    explanations for the errors or problems we identified.
    In most instances, t he agent s and supervisors told us
    that they either did not know or recall why the
    information was not shared with OI, that the fa ilure to
    do so may have been an oversight, that they did not
    recognize at t he time the relevance of the information
    to t he FISA application, or that they did not believe the
    missing information to be significant .
    Pg xiv (emphasis mine)

    That so many basic and fundamental errors
    were made by three separate, hand- picked teams on
    one of the most sensitive FBI investigations that was
    briefed to the highest levels within the FBI, and that FBI
    officials expected would eventually be subjected to
    close scrutiny, raised significant questions regarding the
    FBI chain of command's management and supervision
    of the FISA process. FBI Headquarters established a
    chain of command for Crossfire Hurricane that included
    close supervision by senior CD managers, who then
    briefed FBI leadership throughout the investigation.
    Although we do not expect managers and supervisors to
    know every fact about an investigation, or senior
    officials to know all the details of cases about which
    they are briefed, in a sensitive, high-priority matter like
    this one, it is reasonable to expect that they will take
    the necessary steps to ensure that they are sufficiently
    familiar with the facts and circumstances supporting
    and potentially undermining a FISA application in order
    to provide effective oversight, consistent with their level
    of supervisory responsibility. We concluded that the
    information that was known to the managers,
    supervisors, and senior officials should have resulted in
    questions being raised regarding the reliability of the
    Steele reporting and the probable cause supporting the
    FISA applications, but did not.
    In our view, this was a failure of not only the
    operational team, but also of the managers and
    supervisors, including senior officials, in the chain of
    command. For these reasons, we recommend that the
    FBI review the performance of the employees who had
    responsibility for the preparation, Woods review, or
    approval of the FISA applications, as well as the
    managers and supervisors in the chain of command of
    the Carter Page investigation, including senior officials,
    and take any action deemed appropriate.
    And the real nothing burger..... Recommendations.

    Starting on Pg xviii
    Recommendations
    Our report makes nine recommendations to the
    FBI and the Department to assist them in addressing
    the issues that we identified in this review:
    • The Department and the FBI should ensure that
    adequate procedures are in place for OI to obtain
    all relevant and accurate information needed to
    prepare FISA applications and renewal
    applications, including CHS information. In
    Chapter Twelve, we identify a few specific steps
    to assist in this effort.
    • The Department and FBI should evaluate which
    types of SIMs require advance notification to a
    senior Department official, such as the DAG, in
    addition to the notifications currently required for
    SIMs, especially for case openings that implicate
    core First Amendment activity and raise policy
    considerations or heighten enterprise risk, and
    establish implementing policies and guidance, as
    necessary.
    • The FBI should develop protocols and guidelines
    for staffing and administrating any future
    sensitive investigative matters from FBI
    Headquarters.
    • The FBI should address the problems with the
    administration and assessment of CHSs identified
    in this report, including, at a minimum, revising
    the FBI's standard CHS admonishments,
    improving the documentation of CHS
    information, revising FBI policy to address the
    acceptance of information from a closed CHS
    indirectly through a third party, and taking other
    steps we identify in Chapter Twelve.
    • The Department and FBI should clarify the terms
    (1) "sensitive monitoring circumstance" in the
    AG Guidelines and the DIOG to determine
    whether to expand its scope to include
    consensual monitoring of a domestic political
    candidate or an individual prominent within a
    domestic political organization, or a subset of
    these persons, so that consensual monitoring of
    such individuals would require consultation with
    or advance notification to a senior Department
    official, such as the DAG, and (2) "prominent in a
    domestic political organization" so that agents
    understand which campaign officials fall within
    that definition as it relates to "sensitive
    investigative matters," "sensitive UDP," the
    designation of "sensitive sources," and "sensitive
    monitoring circumstance."
    • The FBI should ensure that appropriate training
    on DIOG § 4 is provided to emphasize the
    constitutional implications of certain monitoring
    situations and to ensure that agents account for
    these concerns, both in the tasking of CHSs and
    in the way they document interactions with and
    tasking of CHSs.
    xix
    • The FBI should establish a policy regarding the
    use of defensive and transition briefings for
    investigative purposes, including the factors to
    be considered and approval by senior leaders at
    the FBI with notice to a senior Department
    official, such as the DAG.
    • The Department's Office of Professional
    Responsibility should review our findings related
    to the conduct of Department attorney Bruce Ohr
    for any action it deems appropriate. Ohr's
    current supervisors in CRM should also review
    our findings related to Ohr's performance for any
    action they deem appropriate.
    • The FBI should review the performance of all
    employees who had responsibility for the
    preparation, Woods review, or approval of the
    FISA applications, as well as the managers,
    supervisors, and senior officials in the chain of
    command of the Carter Page investigation for
    any action it deems appropriate.
    LOL!

    Somebody please give me a shout if the other 400+ pages turn up anything we didn't already know.
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    Other than the recommendations are all "adding more process checks", here are the only two recommendations of substance.

    The Department's Office of Professional Responsibility should review our findings related to the conduct of Department attorney Bruce Ohr for any action it deems appropriate. Ohr's current supervisors in CRM should also review our findings related to Ohr's performance for any action they deem appropriate.

    The FBI should review the performance of all employees who had responsibility for the preparation, Woods review, or approval of the FISA applications, as well as the managers, supervisors, and senior officials in the chain of command of the Carter Page investigation for any action it deems appropriate.
    That is a whole lot of nothing.

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    Did anybody actually expect anything different? Nobody will be charged with anything, nobody will go to jail, business as usual. The only way things will change is when the money runs out...Barring that, the only other way to force change is for a very large group of very angry people go to D.C. and start stringing these bastards up from lampposts.. With the presidency seemingly up for sale to billionaires, to be bought and sold to the highest bidder, We are truly screwed.
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    Bottom line, the FBI are the good guys. Unfortunately the majority of the GOP (per polling these last few years) thinks they are the bad guys now.
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    IGs in the federal government can only "recommend" things unless they develop PC for a crime.

    I'm not sure what you guys were expecting other than recommendations. I think a good exercise is to understand what an IG is and is not before you read this report so you read it while grounded in reality. In other words, expectation management.

    FWIW, having read an IG report or two, in IG language this is a pretty harsh report. Recommending an employee "be reviewed" is the IG basically saying "this dude is severely fucked up and you might want to fire him, because he is doing bad shit for obvious reasons but we can't develop PC to actually put him in jail". Put it this way:

    Our tactical team basically blew up/caught our training HQ on fire because of improper/not-to-code storage of explosives.

    Even in that debacle, our OIG never went so far to recommend that employees be reviewed, even though we McVeighed our own goddamn office building that should never have been storing HE to begin with.

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    @TGS thanks for the context. I was wondering if I should read it harsh or more like an HR chiding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHC View Post
    Bottom line, the FBI are the good guys. Unfortunately the majority of the GOP (per polling these last few years) thinks they are the bad guys now.
    Barr and Durham seem to have a different take on things. It may be worthwhile to wait for a more expansive criminal probe to wrap up before reaching any conclusions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick62 View Post
    Barr and Durham seem to have a different take on things. It may be worthwhile to wait for a more expansive criminal probe to wrap up before reaching any conclusions.


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    By a few degrees. It sounds like Durham may want to prosecute the lawyer who doctored an email to back up what he said in a meeting. Possibly leaving out info about Page providing the CIA information? I'm all for wait and see.

    Barr is another story. Compare his take on the M Report and then your reading of the actual M Report. Highly concerning.

    Oh and this is rich, the IG recommends the FBI look for more advice from the top levels of the DoJ before embarking on sensitive investigations.

    But it looks very strong that this was a properly predicated investigation (as I posted predictively a year or two ago here ). Which is to be expected. Dozens or more staff working on long and complex applications . . .
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