Japanese Military adopts HK SFP9 (VP9)

[HCM]

I saw some of the Japanese troops while I was in Iraq. If I remember correctly - they had Australians pulling security for them and I think the Japanese were under strictest orders not to become engaged. They were working on humanitarian projects.

That doesn’t surprise me. Although I thought maybe like the Chinese they saw the effects of a military that never sought real world use and hope to knock a little rust off in case of trouble in their own part of the world. The Chinese military actually causes the “peace disease. “

[HopetonBrown]

With the Gen 4 Glocks I shot the VP9 better than any of my Glocks but the G34. I think the 9mm Gen 5 Glocks shoot as well as the VP9. YMMV

When I took the slide off a VP9 I saw what looked like a Rube Goldberg machine hiding within the frame.

[TGS]

With the Gen 4 Glocks I shot the VP9 better than any of my Glocks but the G34. I think the 9mm Gen 5 Glocks shoot as well as the VP9. YMMV

Yup.

Highest score I ever made on the 200-Drill with a semi-auto pistol was a 180 with a 19M.

With the P229 I averaged around 140. With the Beretta 92 in the 170s. The only other gun I've shot so accurately with is my S&W Model 19-5s.

(Ooo. I just noticed. 5th Generation for both guns. Coincidence?! )

[HCM]

The Japanese Military has announced they are replacing their aging folded slide SIG P220s with the HK SFP9. The SFP9 is HK’s designation for the VP9 outside the U.S.. the selection was made after trials including the HK, The Glock 17 and the Beretta APX.

They are also apparently replacing their 5.56 Howa model 89s with an updated Howa 5.56 rifle that looks a lot like the HK 433.

Source: https://www.mod.go.jp/j/press/news/2019/12/06b.html

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FIRST LOOK: Japan’s New Type 20 Rifle


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Looks like they also adopting a 1-8x LPVO made by Deon of Japan - known in the U.S. as March Optics.

https://marchscopes.com/scopes/d8sv24fiml/

[Cyberpunk1981]

That doesn’t surprise me. Although I thought maybe like the Chinese they saw the effects of a military that never sought real world use and hope to knock a little rust off in case of trouble in their own part of the world. The Chinese military actually causes the “peace disease. “

I've never actually thought about that. It seems pretty interesting an idea.

[Bucky]

They should have adopted the Glock 44.

I wonder if the 46 was considered, if no trigger pull take down was desired.

[HCM]

I wonder if the 46 was considered, if no trigger pull take down was desired.

That was not part of the requirements and the Glock 17 was one of the contenders, along with the APX.

I believe @TheNewbie was being facetious.

[HCM]

I've never actually thought about that. It seems pretty interesting an idea.

The concept of “The Peace Disease” dovetails with Von Clausewitz’s concepts of “friction” and to a lesser extent the “fog of war.”

Similar to how little kids immune systems need some exposure to dirt and germs to be truely effective.

https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/ar...g-and-friction

https://warontherocks.com/2016/01/li...n-superiority/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.arm..._and_logistics

According to Clausewitz, friction "is the force that makes the apparently easy so difficult." Friction is the interaction of chance and action and can be caused by many factors, including enemy forces, friendly actions, or the environment.