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    Right, I thought the prospects for a .22 Glock were about third place after a carbine and some sort of jigsaw puzzle of existing parts.
    Now nobody is pleased. I still think it is unfortunately lightweight but it will keel. I mean it will sell.
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  2. #712
    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkr View Post
    I don't compete with it, but my MKIII 22/45 is nearly as reliable as my Glock until it gets filthy (upwards of 1k rounds to get to that point). Then it stops cycling standard velocity stuff (fires, but won't cycle), but will still cycle HV rounds. I'm not including FTFs in that analysis because those are usually the ammo's fault. With cheap Federal bulk pack ammo, I'll get 2-5 FTFs per brick and none for quality ammo.

    The gun doesn't require ongoing tuning, just cleaning every brick or two as I get around to it. But, the gun is heavily modified with few factory internal parts left...

    The gun will never pass a 2k challenge, but I don't think any rimfire would.

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    I have a thirty year old, box stock Ruger Mk2 with about 20K rounds through it. I've taken it down and cleaned it a half dozen times or so. The only non-ammo related failures I've had with it were traced to a worn out recoil spring. I take it down and detail clean it when it starts making a crunching sound when I work the bolt.

    I run CCI ammo exclusively. It will choke on cheaper bulk pack stuff.

    I got all excited about the Glock 44, then I realized it probably won't do much for me the Ruger won't except fit in Glock holsters.
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    I was into 10mm Auto before it sold out and went mainstream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blues View Post
    I dunno about the rest of you losers, but when I heard Glock and 44, I was pretty excited about the prospects...

    I just had to quote this because. Reasons...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan1980 View Post
    I just had to quote this because. Reasons...
    You might have at least kept us abreast of what they were...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    I’m amazed how many firearms enthusiasts don’t own rimfire guns. I’m also amazed how many don’t hunt either. Maybe that’s the common denominator.

    Hunters don't shoot and shooters don't hunt.

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    Folks,

    "Works until it gets dirty." "Works with X ammo, but not bulk pack."

    Are just euphemisms for, "Is not 100% reliable."

    I've not yet met a .22LR semi-auto that was 100% reliable. I'm talking, can make it through a 2000 rounds test with whatever you buy off the shelf at Academy ammo. A gun that works with X ammo but not Y, doesn't work properly. A gun that works until it gets really dirty and really dirty is 500-1000 rounds in, doesn't work properly.

    My "finicky" "unreliable" "maintenance intensive" 1911 can go 2000 rounds without cleaning, why can't my Smith 22A not? Answer; because .22LR semi-autos are inherently marginal in their reliability. Part of that is due to the widely variable tolerances in ammunition available, part of it is due to manufacturers not really sitting down and thinking about how to get the gun to be super reliable even with shitty ammo. They go for low manufacturing costs, because very few people will spend $1000+ on a .22LR pistol. I get that. One way to radically improve reliability in .22LR pistols is to tune the recoil spring for the ammo. Another is to get the extractor right. Finally, you have to get the magazine right - Let's hope Glock does that, by sending extra recoil spring assemblies, having a robust extraction system, and a well designed magazine.

    It doesn't bode well though, here is an excerpt from the TheFirearmBlog story (emphasis mine):

    From my unscientific testing with thousands of rounds through two G44s in nearly three month period, GLOCK has mastered the rimfire compact pistol. It cycles subsonic, standard and high velocity rounds equally well. Yes, I had failures to feed, extract and fire – the overwhelming majority of which occurred with one specific brand, style and lot of .22LR. Due to NDA limitations, I have not addressed the issues with the ammunition manufacturer directly.

    A few of my observed cycling issues were related to the way the rounds sit in the G44 magazine. You should follow the examples in your owner’s manual (I didn’t have one to go by at the time) but the short story is that the top round should lay flat on the round below it.
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    Hunting is not an easy proposition in many locales. The increasing urban/rural displacement answers why many don't hunt. For me, I had a friend with private land, so we could do there, stay at his place and wander to a blind in the morning. If you didn't have that opportunity in TX, it's hard to hunt.

    As far as rimfire, most of my enthusiast buddies have them. Lots of 10/22s, AR style long arms - I had 4 rimfire revolvers at times and 2 semis. The latter handguns moved in and out depending on things.

    I might be interested but I have a lot of Buckmark accessories, if I get back into such. I did like it for steel.

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    The guy who taught me how to shoot handguns was an Israeli relative stationed in the US. He carried a Beretta Model 70 in .22LR. I never saw it have a failure of any kind.

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    Are the 70s more reliable than the 21s? I only have anecdotal experience with the 21s and that one was a jammer. The 70s being a bigger gun - that make it more reliable? My Buckmark, being a big old steel gun, was pretty reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M2CattleCo View Post
    Hunters don't shoot and shooters don't hunt.
    I want to hunt deer or pigs but don’t know anyone who will go with me and show me how to do it right.
    "BJJ is sort of like nonconsensual yoga"
    "You don’t really graduate from certain problems or certain things… like you always have to work on trigger control and pulling the trigger straight. " --Ben Stoeger 1/24/2018

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