I saw some posts on Facebook and Instagram talking about this guy and thought everything seems a little premature. Then I watched his Instagram story where he at least seems a little drunk and was drinking and walking around in his attic ranting, and couldn’t even spell Red Coats correctly . Didn’t seem like the kinda guy I’d be immediately hitching my wagon to, but seemed to get instant credibility with some folks.
The guy may or may not have been a knucklehead. Barricading oneself in an attic and drunkenly posting on IG sounds pretty knuckleheaded. But his IG is purported to have been edited/redacted/compromised in some way, so who knows.
We should expect to be discredited as a wife beater/kiddie porn collector/whatever if we're on the defensive side of this sort of thing whether or not we're in the right to do so. Discrediting the individual and mitigating the scope of the situation will become part and parcel for this sort of thing in the future.
I'll continue to live by the golden rule of 'don't start none, won't be none'.
Being an inflammatory attention whoring dickhead online sure as hell is 'starting some' in today's climate.
That said, seriously, if you see shit like this with a fellow Veteran call your battle buddy and help him figure his shit out if he's having a rough go of it. Go to his house and get him to come with you willingly to the VA or ER for help if he needs it. Wait him out for a day or three if that's what it takes.
Because once the cops are involved, it's a bad day for everyone and it will haunt him for the rest of his life.
Furthermore, the big takeaway is this:
So many people & organizations were ready to hitch up to this wagon because there's no other perceived path to solve these 2A issues without a show of force, or potential violence. I am terrified of the thought that it's not a matter of 'if' but 'when'.
So for the love of fucking god, people, start talking to your representation and show the fuck up to vote because that quite literally may save lives by preventing this kind of crazy stupid bullshit from popping off.
This was blasted on social media as being a "red flag" confiscation with threatened CPS action over a 30 round magazine. It appears this may not be true, but I think there are a few things that should be kept in mind when thinking about that type of thing occurring.
Having been raised in NYS, I grew up in a culture that largely viewed police as outsiders with authority who were out to get you. Many feel that the police are ready to screw over the average person to generate revenue for the state. I know that having lived there I certainly felt that way about police departments as a whole, even if not the individual police officers themselves. I'm a regular guy in NYS the police always made me uneasy because they could almost invent reasons to mess with you and give you a ticket if they wanted. Even if that's not true it's certainly the overwhelming sentiment where I'm from in upstate NY. With a population that doesn't really feel comfortable with the police and has such an us vs them mentality (fueled in part by unequal gun rights)... not everyone is going to trust the Mayberry PD's public statement.
This is going to be how a lot of folks up there think. I'm not certain they're wrong. Couple this up with the fact that Sheriff Andy acts like he's better than Mayberry's citizens and it just fuels the discontentment. Then you fill the role with Gomer Pyle fresh home from the service, give him increased rights compared to the citizenry, and put him in a job where he interacts with the bad apples all the time. Pretty soon all Gomer sees are bad apples. It fuels the us vs them from the police perspective too. It certainly doesn't help when the cops do everything right and get accosted by citizens who are in the wrong. It happens. Next thing you know Gomer doesn't mind to much about just following orders. Barney Fife is long gone.Originally Posted by JRB
The point I'm driving at, is this stuff is going to get worse. A lot worse. There is a lot of noncompliance in NYS. Every veteran, former leo, firefighter, EMS, National Guardsmen has 30 round magazines up there. They only talk about it with their tribe. The vets have them from in service, the former leo the same, firefighters from there buddies who are cops and veterans, same with EMS, Guardsmen get them from drills or deployments and they're unaccounted for. Plus anyone who drives out of state to buy a magazine. There are millions of felonies hiding under beds and in contico boxes in the garage.
With all those felony magazines, it's only a matter of time until the "30 round magazine confiscation stand off" happens for real. And I'm not certain it will play out much differently. At the moment, those magazines tend to be tacked on to other charges. That won't always be the case. And when it does happen, the populace that doesn't trust the police isn't going to by the statements made. Because Mayberry PD is going to try to make whoever is the target into a pariah. Some will be easier made than others.
There are already rumors that folks showed up to help this guy in a nearby cemetery are were subjected to sweeping arrests. Some are saying the incident was reported as being over before it was to discourage others from showing up to support this guy. Maybe true, maybe not. But it does seem people showed up. I know from my Facebook feed that a number of my veteran friends in upstate NY do not trust what the police are saying, believe that the PD and news were spreading misinformation during the incident, and are upset. Fueled by misinformation? Maybe. But the growing rift up there isn't getting mended and that's a real issue that will powder keg at some point.
-Cory
Last edited by Cory; 11-24-2019 at 08:59 AM.
I LOL'd at this post from SOLGW.
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All you need is a shoot out over mags and if you add 'folks' riding to the rescue and more shoot outs (can you say, see the recent 'rescue' in Mexico) and you get:
1. Anti gun force say - My oh, my - we were wrong. Get rid of the bans. Let mags ring across the country!
2. Told you they were nuts and a national semi and mag ban slaps down. Evidence - the NRA (at least one VP level) said that they had to convince President Trump to ban bump stocks in order to stop a total ban on all semis and mags that would have passed both houses of Congress with a veto proof majority and/or President Trump would have signed the bill anyway.
Hears about revenge porn - revenge mag/gun squealing to the law by your EX is next. This is for the folks who brag about hiding them and then post it. 50 ish % of marriages break up. Given the millions of modern sporting rifles (haha) out there and the mags, that's millions of guys (and some women) waiting for the shoes to drop. Don't like that child support, alimony, or property settlement - all it takes is a phone call to the law.
Last edited by Glenn E. Meyer; 11-24-2019 at 11:01 AM.
Lotsa truth, here.
I thought this was hilarious this morning:
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Patience is a virtue that very few have. Objectivity is even rarer and both are needed.
We should all return to our Sun Tzu and review the 5 essentials for victory (emphasis mine):
1) He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight. (Objectivity)
2) He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces.
3) He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout all its ranks.
4) He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared. (Patience)
5) He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign.
This isn't directed at you, Rob, but rather alot of folks who always want to wait everyrhing out. I respect you and don't think you fall into that camp everytime.
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Knowing when to fight is important but difficult. The long game that our adversaries play relies on our patience. They intentionally select targets that are imperfect people. Partially because all people are imperfect, and partially because it works to their narrarive. When they manipulate the information distributed it makes it easy for them to slowly progress their agenda.
"It's never my group, it's always that group of people who are lesser value, so I'm okay with it." Is a viewpoint that seriously hurts us. Anyone can make accusations of domestic violence (true or not) and suddenly that person had it coming? Or PTSD, or paranoia, or they were a prepper, or they were a loaner, or they liked video games, or they... really fill in the blank with any accusation or niche.
It is indeed important to pick our battles, and know what they are. But whos informatuon are we to trust? The person's? Social media? The internet? The news? The police? The governments?
We need to be selective... but when we never actually pick any specific incidents to defend we lose everytime. And none of the specific incidents will ever be perfect.
This may not be the one to get behind. But it may have been. Laughing at those willing to support others does nothing but marginalize the section of our side who is actively trying to oppose government over reach and unconstituional actions.
-Cory
I'm curious as to the meaning of defend and get behind. Supporting a fair and just legal process should be done for any possible defendant. Choosing to do that for a specific issue is up to folks with an interest in that issue. Lawyers, media, demonstrations, asking for legislative action ,etc. are well known tactics.
Suggesting extra legal or even extreme means should be restricted for the most egregious instances of what? How would one respond to an arrest situation for a pure and simple police action, legally warranted for an individual reported to have higher capacity magazines?
What should one specifically do?
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