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    The R in F.A.R.T RevolverRob's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by orionz06 View Post
    What makes it a Specialist copy? Looks like a generic webbing belt made with the Wilderness webbing, a webbing they won't sell to anyone else, that happens to work very well for our needs.
    I guess I looked at the buckle and way the tail works and see lots of similarities. But of course, you're right, many webbing belts have similar buckles and work in a similar fashion.

    @Mirolynmonbro - I suppose "stiff" is the wrong word. If you hold a 5-stitch CSM and a Specialist up, the Specialist will "flop" more. But that's only half the story, the Specialist cinches tighter and the core they use has greater rigidity (resistance to twisting) than the polymer. The polymer is thinner and flexes more it's also not as wide in the core as the Specialist. Basically, the Specialist is 3-layers of webbing vs. 2-layers + Think layer of polymer (assuming you have the CSM).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevolverRob View Post
    So...I’m normally a big fan of Wilderness Tac, but this one kind of rubs me the wrong way.

    The Graith/Mastermind Specialist comes out and basically makes almost all other gun belts obsolete in the process.

    So, Wilderness now just makes it own Specialist copy. I’ll put this out here: my last two 5-stitch CSM Wilderness belts weren’t as stiff new as my 4-year old daily worn Specialist is right now.

    Save your pennies, buy a Specialist from Mastermind.

    Four years I’ve only bought one new belt in that time, a spare Specialist.
    Wilderness makes a Specialist copy? Maybe, but since Wilderness nylon belts not only pre-date Graith / Mastermind, they also pre-date 5.11, so I'm not sure who copied who.

    I have some Wilderness belts as well as a Specialist. Neither give me the perpetual orgasm and hysteria that people were exhibiting when Graith first hit the scene. I can say the same thing about holsters and attachments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry T View Post
    Wilderness makes a Specialist copy? Maybe, but since Wilderness nylon belts not only pre-date Graith / Mastermind, they also pre-date 5.11, so I'm not sure who copied who.

    I have some Wilderness belts as well as a Specialist. Neither give me the perpetual orgasm and hysteria that people were exhibiting when Graith first hit the scene. I can say the same thing about holsters and attachments.
    Considering that Graith doesn't make belts anymore, they probably aren't concerned about who is copying what.

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    FWIW, I don't think anyone reinvented the wheel here. Most of the differences are subtle and some work better than others in various applications. If they were perfect I'd only own one.

    The rest is hype and marketing.

    (Having owned my share of the various Mastermind / Graith offerings, I'd have to say that the D ring closure they offered with the "universal" belt was my favorite. Low profile, easy to secure. Had it been made a slightly thinner belt, (and maybe without velcro, which I don't think it really needed), it would satisfy virtually all my carry needs.)
    Last edited by blues; 11-23-2019 at 02:43 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bofe954 View Post
    Considering that Graith doesn't make belts anymore, they probably aren't concerned about who is copying what.
    The company went Mastermind Tactics -> Graith -> Mastermind Tactics. And a new Specialist from Mastermind is available as I type this.
    Last edited by RevolverRob; 11-23-2019 at 03:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevolverRob View Post
    The company went Mastermind Tactics -> Graith -> Mastermind Tactics. And a new Specialist from Mastermind is available as I type this.
    Thanks for the correction. The plastic buckle is a nice option, although I think I don't think I was hassled about my metal belt buckle last time I flew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bofe954 View Post
    Thanks for the correction. The plastic buckle is a nice option, although I think I don't think I was hassled about my metal belt buckle last time I flew.
    I walked right on through security at Dallas Love Field wearing a metal buckle Specialist two days ago, no problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blues View Post
    Having owned my share of the various Mastermind / Graith offerings, I'd have to say that the D ring closure they offered with the "universal" belt was my favorite. Low profile, easy to secure. Had it been made a slightly thinner belt, (and maybe without velcro, which I don't think it really needed), it would satisfy virtually all my carry needs.
    My only gripe with the Wilderness Instructor belt is that the buckle does not secure the belt well enough by itself (at least on me). It seems the Velcro keeps the belt from slipping through the buckle and becoming loose. Once the Velcro wears out, my pants end up at my knees. :-/

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    Quote Originally Posted by NH Shooter View Post
    My only gripe with the Wilderness Instructor belt is that the buckle does not secure the belt well enough by itself (at least on me). It seems the Velcro keeps the belt from slipping through the buckle and becoming loose. Once the Velcro wears out, my pants end up at my knees. :-/
    I think that's the problem with all velcro belts. I've been tempted to try a Klik Belt but the knock on it is though it's supposedly designed to not need velcro, it will loosen while wearing if you don't add the velcro option. Then there's the ratchet belts (Nexbelt, Kore, etc), but I don't see any of them being durable enough for serious use.

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    Current Mastermind Specialist has a metal buckle.

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