Draft of upcoming Virginia AWB - Registration

[HCM]

I am absolutely convinced that the Deep State is a real thing. I believe that their intention is to disarm us so that they can impose not Socialism, but Globalism.

I also believe that the Bundy Ranch Standoff scared the hell out of them. Because I don't think they actually believed that that many WELL ARMED people would show up ready to fight the Federal Government.

Shortly after that was resolved is when they really started the push for Assault Weapons Bans that essentially Outlaw all semi-automatic weapons and magazine capacity limits and get these weapons of war off the streets (Even though they're involved in less than 1% firearms-related homicides in America every year).

That's also when they started introducing bills that didn't grandfather existing weapons which means that sooner or later they're going to have to confiscate them.

I would suggest a break from Alex Jones and late night talk radio. Tinfoil and conspiracy theories are NOT helpful.

We are engaged in a “culture war.” Everyone is in someways a product of and in some ways trapped by their own frame of reference. Many of the people who support gun control are a product of the unusual bubble of safety and security that we have enjoyed for the last 70 or 80 years. Other changes from urbanization to improved communications transportation etc. And the general trend toward specialization in our society have all contributed to their having the luxury of not facing reality. These people do not think like most people on this forum. They are literally the people Robert Heinlein had in mind when he said that everyone should have to run for their life at least once if only to understand that milk does not come from the store and safety does not come from policemen.
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The Bundys are not good people and not people we want being associated with second amendment rights. It’s bad enough we are associated with s**t bags like Ted Nugent.

Along those lines, there is a certain mythology with regards to Cowboys, rancher’s, and rural people in general. Among these are that they are all saints or have a heart of gold, are universally knowledgeable about and competent with firearms. The reality is they are a bell curve like everybody else. Some of them are great, and at the other end some are crooks and otherwise bad people including some who to like to scam public assistance programs, abuse kids etc just like welfare cheats and dirt bags in big cities.

You also might want to think of your definition of “well armed.” Vs “armed.”

[HCM]

The best idea I have heard for Virginia residence, especially those in the sanctuary counties is the VA sheriff who wants to deputize all lawful gun owners in his jurisdiction.

It is a simple and time tested solution. It was once extremely common in the southern United States as an alternative to a concealed carry license system. It was in essence a de facto may issue CCW system. While it had all the inherent issues of a meet issue system it was time tested and supported by legal precedent.

[jrm]

Unless a federal law violates the federal constitution states can absolutely be compelled to enforce it. See the supremacy clause of the U.S. constitution (Article VI, Clause 2).

Unless United States supreme court finds the issuance of immigration detainer’s unconstitutional The supremacy clause applies and the federal government can force states and counties and municipalities to honor them. Furthermore the state and local entities cannot argue that it is an unfunded mandate since reimbursement for the detention of illegal aliens is provided through the SCAP reimbursement process. https://www.bja.gov/ProgramDetails.aspx?Program_ID=86

What we have seen so far is a few left leaning activist judges have the process unconstitutional. Whether Those decisions or the recent state of California sanctuary law would survive a constitutional challenge at the U.S. supreme court is another matter.

I disagree see https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/95-1478.ZS.html. I will agree that the grant of federal funds can be denied or preconditioned on States performing or declining to preform certain acts. I assume everyone who is upset about the illegal immigration sanctuaries are also upset that Tennessee is a suppressor sanctuary state.

[Cory]

This is exactly what happened to NY with the SAFE act. The only difference is that there was no notice before it passed, and we already had an AWB in place. The legislation just made it even worse.

A few things to note...

Door to door raids will not happen. It'll be those who are less socially acceptable who get locked up first. Nobody will care because they're bad anyway. Public ranges and things like that will become no-go areas.

This uses fear to prevent people from actually using their guns. What good is "noncompliance" if you don't get to enjoy shooting?

You need to really go after the ballot box. Write letters, network with everyone you know, show up in large groups. But, also realize that it might not matter. In NY it was all passed in the middle of the night. All the cries for repeal, tons of letters, emails, calls, rallies... they still have the law 4 years later.

Prevention beforehand is the only hope.

-Cory

[EPF]

This is exactly what happened to NY with the SAFE act.

-Cory

I would quibble with your theory slightly. NY has some unique demographic and historic cultural issues that made it an uphill battle. In VA we have another set of unique conditions. I believe Colorado is a slightly better comparison to Virginia. Bloomberg also pumped money into that political fight and the newly elected leaders also made gun control their first order of business. The backlash was huge and partially successful. Having spent time in both places, I’d bet on Virginia’s gun culture making even more noise. A lot more.

I also think that the political Climate is much different now than when the NYSA happened. I think second amendment advocates realize that we are on the edge of the abyss, with all major DEM candidates promising to make this stuff Federal and the election only a year away. The current Democratic Party has declared “total war” politically. I’m a registered independent and not a fan of many Republicans, but they have my vote for now.

The fight in Virginia should be a NATIONAL line in the sand. If I could give one message to people living in other States who value the 2A it would be to make VA the place for your last stand. Don’t wait till it comes to you. The other side already acts nationally to win at the state level.

Donate to VCDL, to political candidates, spread the word, even participate in events if you can. What happened in CO had a national affect politically of slowing down the gun control drive IMO.

All is not lost in VA. We can push back. We can make the political cost very high. The years long debate leading up to the 1994 federal ban was a 2A political awakening for me as a high school/college student and many others. That fight was lost in the moment, but I think the evidence shows it was a long term success. Connections were made for activism and a new movement started. The concealed carry movement took off etc. etc.

I have days were I get depressed about the situation here in VA, but now I feel the momentum. Your final analysis is correct, we need to win at the ballot box. I hold out hope that this event makes the next several elections painful for democrats here.

[Cypher]

I would suggest a break from Alex Jones and late night talk radio. Tinfoil and conspiracy theories are NOT helpful.

No Alex (there's a war on for your wallet) Jones and no late night talk radio. You call it tin foil one other person says it's not that far out there. Who gets to decide what is or isn't helpful?

We are engaged in a “culture war.” Everyone is in someways a product of and in some ways trapped by their own frame of reference. Many of the people who support gun control are a product of the unusual bubble of safety and security that we have enjoyed for the last 70 or 80 years. Other changes from urbanization to improved communications transportation etc. And the general trend toward specialization in our society have all contributed to their having the luxury of not facing reality. These people do noet think like most people on this forum. They are literally the people Robert Heinlein had in mind when he said that everyone should have to run for their life at least once if only to understand that milk does not come from the store and safety does not come from policemen.

Truth.

The Bundys are not good people and not people we want being associated with second amendment rights. It’s bad enough we are associated with s**t bags like Ted Nugent.

Along those lines, there is a certain mythology with regards to Cowboys, rancher’s, and rural people in general. Among these are that they are all saints or have a heart of gold, are universally knowledgeable about and competent with firearms. The reality is they are a bell curve like everybody else. Some of them are great, and at the other end some are crooks and otherwise bad people including some who to like to scam public assistance programs, abuse kids etc just like welfare cheats and dirt bags in big cities.

You also might want to think of your definition of “well armed.” Vs “armed.”

I don't know enough about the Bundys to decide if their cause was just. My comment dealt only with the fact that I believe the government was shocked when that many people showed up ready to fight.

As for armed versus well armed if either side had started shooting it would have got ugly really quickly.


Even if we disagree totally on this, I don't think you can deny that the end goal is total civilian disarmament.

[HCM]

No Alex (there's a war on for your wallet) Jones and no late night talk radio. You call it tin foil one other person says it's not that far out there. Who gets to decide what is or isn't helpful?



Truth.



I don't know enough about the Bundys to decide if their cause was just. My comment dealt only with the fact that I believe the government was shocked when that many people showed up ready to fight.

As for armed versus well armed if either side had started shooting it would have got ugly really quickly.


Even if we disagree totally on this, I don't think you can deny that the end goal is total civilian disarmament.

The end goal for the anti gun people is total civilian disarmament. But implying that it is some conspiracy engineered by a deep state, that could be unmasked like the end of a Scooby Doo episode is not helpful.

It’s a culture war and effecting cultural change is a long, nuanced and sometimes complex process.

[Cypher]

The end goal for the anti gun people is total civilian disarmament. But implying that it is some conspiracy engineered by a deep state, that could be unmasked like the end of a Scooby Doo episode is not helpful.

It’s a culture war and effecting cultural change is a long, nuanced and sometimes complex process.

Obviously we disagree.

[CG12]

implying that it is some conspiracy engineered by a deep state, that could be unmasked like the end of a Scooby Doo episode is not helpful.

It’s a culture war and effecting cultural change is a long, nuanced and sometimes complex process.

If you believe that a war is being fought, why don't you believe that it is important to know who is fighting and/or leading the fight? Can you think of a single example where it's not important to know your opponent?

Who introduced H.B. 4021? Who funds the Democracy PAC? Who funds the Everytown for Gun Safety PAC?

If you consider a culture war to be like a battle, your fellow citizens who want 'common sense gun control' might be like ground troops. These people don't fight unless they are being led, however.

[vaglocker]

Hanover County residents please come to the board meeting this Wednesday 12/11 at 3pm to show support for a Second Amendment resolution.

Hanover County Administration Building

Board Room

7516 County Complex Rd

Hanover, VA 23069