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    1 in 125 California LEOs has a misdemeanor

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/investig...237089834.html

    630 out of California's 79,000 current sworn officers have misdemeanor convictions that would disqualify them from working as LEO in other states. Most were DUI & domestic dispute charges, but there was also one officer who fell asleep at the wheel and killed two cyclists and another whose 7 year-old discharged a firearm he left in his car at school.


    edit: title correction: 1 in 125
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    No doubt there's bad apples, but this article is fishy and 100% a hit piece that is misrepresenting shit to make the LE profession look completely crooked.

    It even uses examples of people who were convicted and lost their jobs (that means the system IS working) to try and get the reader outraged. The article also posits that officers who are domestic violence offenders are still cops, which is patently false...…..that'd be against federal law. They may or may not have been actual scumbags, but you can't write an article like this with any sense of credibility and claim (or imply) somebody has a specific criminal conviction when they're not even convicted of it.

    The list at the end of "Cops with Convictions" is also misleading, because it includes cops who were convicted of felonies and fired/can no longer be LEOs.....a bunch of them still serving decades long sentences.....even though the aim of the article is cops with convictions who are still allowed to be on the job. This gives the casual reader the impression that you can be convicted of murder, rape, child molestation, etc and still be a cop.

    ETA: What's interesting to note is that most of the names I googled ended up being reserve officers...…..not full time professional LEOs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TGS View Post
    No doubt there's bad apples, but this article is fishy and 100% a hit piece that is misrepresenting shit to make the LE profession look completely crooked.
    The article is definitely biased, but I found the list interesting. Locally we have a surprising number of COs who lost their jobs after being convicted of sex acts with inmates.

    It even uses examples of people who were convicted and lost their jobs (that means the system IS working) to try and get the reader outraged.
    I even found a couple of cases where the officer had retired before the crime took place. From further reading, it looks like less than 1 in 5 officers kept their job meaning about 1 in 625 current California LEOs has a misdemeanor conviction.

    The article also posits that officers who are domestic violence offenders are still cops, which is patently false...…..that'd be against federal law.
    Depends on if they were charged & with what. One of the more egregious examples is a small town chief who hired his brother in law despite a long record of domestic violence incidents that either went unprosecuted or were pled down to minor offenses like "disturbing the peace."

    https://www.northcoastjournal.com/hu...nt?oid=3134795
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0ddl0t View Post
    Depends on if they were charged & with what. One of the more egregious examples is a small town chief who hired his brother in law despite a long record of domestic violence incidents that either went unprosecuted or were pled down to minor offenses like "disturbing the peace"
    Then they aren't convicted of any domestic offense. Like TGS said, if they were they would be Brady disqualified.

    As far as misdemeanors, meh, I'd bet my department is more than 1 in 625 if you count DUIs in their past. It wasn't an automatic no-go when I was hired, although you'd need some years between you and it. Get a DUI after being hired and it's a 30 day suspension (assuming you are off duty and in your own car) and then fired on your second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0ddl0t View Post
    The article is definitely biased
    So what's the point? If they were doing serious reporting instead of outrage porn, they'd be straight up about the stats. They would also include a no doubt larger list of officers who were fired for misconduct, as well as those convicted of crimes after being investigated by their own department.
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    The "one in one hundred twenty-five" is deceiving, at best. 630 out of 79,000 comes out to 0.0079% - if my calculator use is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hambo View Post
    So what's the point? If they were doing serious reporting instead of outrage porn, they'd be straight up about the stats. They would also include a no doubt larger list of officers who were fired for misconduct, as well as those convicted of crimes after being investigated by their own department.
    That is what started the series. The public has not had access to those records in the past. The law changed last year, but the unions & departments have been fighting the release of disciplinary records. These criminal records are what has been released so far, but there will be much more to come once the journalists get access to things like public complaints & internal investigations...

    Quote Originally Posted by Erick Gelhaus View Post
    The "one in one hundred twenty-five" is deceiving, at best. 630 out of 79,000 comes out to 0.0079% - if my calculator use is correct.
    You forgot to move the decimal 2 places to the right when adding the percent sign. 630 out of 79,000 is 0.00797 or ~0.8% (which equals 1/125). But that counts cops who lost their jobs -- only 1 in 5 stayed on the job (so 1/625 active LEO).

    For comparison, according the to FBI about 1 in 3 Americans have been charged with a felony in their lifetime (though not necessarily convicted). So police are way, way, way less prone to crime than the average American.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0ddl0t View Post
    For comparison, according the to FBI about 1 in 3 Americans have been charged with a felony in their lifetime (though not necessarily convicted).
    Really?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 0ddl0t View Post
    Depends on if they were charged & with what.
    Please tell me how the law works.

    As @Hambo said, the article is outrage porn. Nothing more. If they wanted it to be legitimate work, they could have gone that route instead.
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