Ken Hackathorn-Retention Shooting Drill

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Ken Hackathorn demonstrates the proper techniques for shooting from retention against an enemy in close quarters distance.

[UNM1136]

Here we go again....


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[M2CattleCo]

Alrighty then.

[HCM]

There is a lot of valid concepts in the old school “Cooper/Gunsite/Weaver” program but retention shooting and the speed rock are not among them.

The stuff they could pressure test in competition tends to be the most valid. As opposed to this which is something someone came up with but was not really pressure teated until things like simmunitions and FIST suits became a thing.

At 3 yards bringing the gun to eye level is more efficient when you put it on the clock. At closer distances making space before drawing or shooting from the closer / high pec / #2 if you can’t make space (in that order) both work better.

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https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....from-Retention has a bit of a deeper dive into things, albeit with some digressions.

The speed rock is garbage on the firing line and borderline unsafe in FOF even in a padded environment; there’s just such a high chance of falling from even a slight impact with how most bow their hips forward and roll their shoulders back in preparation of firing. It works alright if the shooter can walk rounds on target and if a no-contact rule is in effect; but if your UOF/ROE frown upon frivolous risk to teammates and non-threats and your opponents are inclined to make any sort of physical contact, you may find your needs better suited by other techniques.

Honestly, enough people trip themselves trying to pull it off dry much less with sims with even a bit of closing the distance by a role player, that I cannot recommend it in conscience.

Shooting from the “bent elbow position” by any name is just an exercise in frustrating fictions. On the range with even slight extension it wrecks targets, with even the slightest deviation of target height or shooter orientation it’s points lost; and the only place it has in FOF is highlighting when the whole thing is being undertaken with a flawed premise (e.g. someone fires from the bent-elbow in response to a close-quarters assault and the RP doesn’t immediately take the simgun from them, and you have demonstrable fantasy).

[Wingate's Hairbrush]

...At closer distances making space before drawing or shooting from the closer / high pec / #2 if you can’t make space (in that order) both work better.

I know high pec from southnarc videos; what "the closer" and #2?

[HCM]

I know high pec from southnarc videos; what "the closer" and #2?

That is AutoCorrect or predictive text.

Basically just trying to say if you can make space inside 3 yards.

If you can’t, and have to shoot from closer distances, then the high pec/#2 position (different names for the same thing) is preferable to the speed rock/old-school low retention position.

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WHB,

Thumb-Pectoral Index: the high/compressed close quarters shooting technique associated with folks like Paul Gomez and Craig Douglas, so called because of the nexus of the shooting-hand’s thumb and the associated pectoral muscle for a consistent physical and digital reference.

TPI: shorthand for the above

#2: the place within the adapted drawstroke wherein the TPI is asserted.

[ST911]

I'm a big fan of Bill Rapier's thoughts and methods on retention shooting as taught in his pistol combatives course(s): https://www.amtacshooting.com/.

[ST911]

Which are?

Looks like someone else posted a video link. I believe that @voodoo_man has reduced some of that content to writing as well via his AARs of Bill's classes. Those are all good for a preview, but they're aren't the full context and color of the class experience.