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    Stop consuming avocados and drugs, and don't hire illegal inmigrants... sounds easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiroFijo View Post
    The US citizens are the main consumers of mexican cartel's products (drugs, smuggling, and illegal labor) and the reason they are so wealthy and powerful; and on the other hand the US government is spending obscene amounts of money in the border wall, ICE, and war on drugs.

    That's a double expense. And things are not improving.
    It also gives two groups with an interest in the status quo.
    If we have to march off into the next world, let us walk there on the bodies of our enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiroFijo View Post
    Stop consuming avocados and drugs, and don't hire illegal inmigrants... sounds easy.
    Align the sights and keep them aligned while gently increasing pressure on the trigger... sounds easy.
    If we have to march off into the next world, let us walk there on the bodies of our enemies.

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    Mexican cartel massacre: Suspect with 2 hostages arrested in border town

    A suspect was arrested near the Arizona border with Mexico in connection with the deaths of nine U.S. citizens - six children and three women – Monday who were living in a Mormon community about 70 miles south of Douglas, Ariz., investigators said early Wednesday.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/suspec...-investigators

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiroFijo View Post
    Stop consuming avocados and drugs, and don't hire illegal inmigrants... sounds easy.
    Using immigrant labor (legal or not) goes back a long way in American culture. It's actually impossible now to deliver the meats and produce we consume every day at an affordable price without that labor.

    It's a lot like the drug problem in a way because Americans also like to eat. If you want to pay 5 bucks for a head of lettuce we can stop using immigrant labor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borderland View Post
    Using immigrant labor (legal or not) goes back a long way in American culture. It's actually impossible now to deliver the meats and produce we consume every day at an affordable price without that labor.

    It's a lot like the drug problem in a way because Americans also like to eat. If you want to pay 5 bucks for a head of lettuce we can stop using immigrant labor.
    I know that well... my comment was tongue-in-cheek.

    Things are easier said than done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiroFijo View Post
    I know that well... my comment was tongue-in-cheek.

    Things are easier said than done.
    As I suspected, just wasn't sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiroFijo View Post
    don't hire illegal inmigrants
    In the compendium of factors that influence cartel violence, there's a very strong inverse correlation between illegal border crossings and cartel violence. Correlation is not causation, and there's no single identifiable factor, blah blah.

    With the recession in 2008, illegal border crossing slowed to a trickle and cartel violence skyrocketed, there are other factors. Currently, using border crossing apprehensions as an indicator of total illegal crossings, illegal crossings are down, and violence is through the roof.

    Not many people question why the Mexican government is so intent on exporting it's productive workforce, a main ingredient in improving their economic situation. What's even worse than not having the workforce to improve their economy is having a glut of uneducated, unemployed military age males sitting around with little prospect in life. Our demand for cheap labor serves as a platform for a broad military strategy to reduce the cartel's recruiting pool. That's a system that benefited both sides of the border for a long time.

    Trump has had a lot of success just letting federal law enforcement do their jobs and putting political pressure on Central American governments. Stemming the flow of immigration isn't the problem, it's that a system was developed long ago that became dependent on moving bodies to fight a war, and no new strategy was put in place.
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    Notice I said "illegal" inmigrants...

    The inmigration/migrant worker issue is full of facets, with pros and cons. You surely know better than me.

    The most frustrating thing for the squared engineer in me is the "illegal" part, in large numbers. In an ideal society all things should somewhere flow to "legal" by coercion into obedience of the existing laws or by change of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevolverRob View Post
    I disagree.

    Drug trafficking that comes from say...Burma is far less an issue to the U.S. than what is going on in Mexico. Crushing the Mexican Cartels and burning their fields may not win a lot of friends, but what it will do, is move the source and power to somewhere else. Hell, when the problem came from Colombia, it posed far less an existential threat to the U.S. the farther away the power is from our borders the more difficult it is for those who do the business to do it..
    Drugs don’t just come from Mexico. Unless you fix the demand and the billions of dollars behind it, some other nation will step in. Columbia , Venezuela, Panama, take your pick. Then there’s the prospect of domestic production right here in the US. Like most businesses it’s cheaper to make narcotics elsewhere then here, but if the cheaper alternative is wiped out by military operations...not so much.

    Point is we can’t bomb and shoot our way to stability. Legalization isn’t a practical option either; that imposes hard to quantify social costs as well. Meth and opioids cause real harm to people and communities, but neutralizing the cartels means letting WalMart sell that shit over the counter. May as well just close down the country at that point.

    So we are left with the status quo.
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