Yep, although I haven't yet found the +P variants in civilian packaging. It may be a byproduct of packaging/shipping, but I've also noticed better asthetic quality on the HST 20 round clear plastic civilian boxes (it is rare to find a scratched civilian bullet, but pretty common in the leo 50 round cardboard box).
Last edited by 0ddl0t; 10-26-2019 at 01:36 PM.
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FWIW, the HST in my nightstand M&P40 is brass-cased, rather than nickled. I've only seen that in .40.
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When I first started carrying and had to decide what to use, the federal 9bp round got a fair number of kudos from people I believed gave good advice. I understand technology has moved on, and don’t gainsay that or dispute it. I still carry xm9001 (basically a faster 9bp that isn’t as fast as 9bple) and the Speer lawman is extremely similar, recoil, speed and poi wise. I shoot enough that I appreciate the savings between lawman 115 and 124 - about 18 dollars a case. When i shoot up the last of my xm9001 I’ll likely switch to gold dot 115 and call it good enough. I don’t stress overmuch about anything but being accurate and trying to get faster. I know it’s different for others, some of whom are sworn and paid to go into harm’s way. This was just how I got where I’m at, and I’m just an armed citizen.
I’ve tried other weights and find 147 would require significant adaptation on my part, no doubt due to some defect in my technique. Given cost and familiarity I believe I’ll stay with 115.
Last edited by Medusa; 10-26-2019 at 02:02 PM.
Retired a few years now, so have shot off my stock of gov’t issued 9mm duty ammo that I was able to walk out the door with. Now a box of 9mm comes out of my pocket. Old school when it comes to buying a box of pistol ammo, so I refuse to buy any 20 round boxes off the shelf. Which all lead me to purchase a few boxes of 147 grain JHP, in 50 round boxes, at my local Walmart a few months ago (before the announcement). Glad to report that it functions 100% in my G17; just a couple of inches high POA. PS: For practice ammo, I started reloading 9mm on my Dillion SDB also.
1. Is it Gold Dot or HST?
2. Is it reliable in my gun?
3. Is it accurate in my gun?
I only recently added accuracy as a criterion. I thought any Federal or Speer would be accurate enough until I found out they weren't. My Dan Wesson V-Bob hates 115s and loves 147s.
Real guns have hammers.
Can't go wrong with the bullet weight that the cartridge was designed for.
If you want a heavier bullet than 124 why not just move on up to 40 S&W. I'm not a 40 guy but I think I read somewhere that 180 was the original loading.
Problem solved.
In the P-F basket of deplorables.