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    Perry said he is not interested. I tend to believe this, although politicians always say that. He is known for carrying a LCP and shooting a coyote with it. For awhile. local stores sold LCPs marked as a Perry Special or something like that. It cost more. Made as much sense as buying a truck marked the King Ranch Edition. Unless it came with a big pan of King Ranch Chicken, why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blues View Post
    I asked for someone worth championing...
    At this point, I think we’re gonna have to look closer to home on that; our friends, family, neighbors...

    "Ave Imperator" is largely a failed ideology. Ave yourself, brother, ave yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidheshooter View Post
    At this point, I think we’re gonna have to look closer to home on that; our friends, family, neighbors...

    "Ave Imperator" is largely a failed ideology. Ave yourself, brother, ave yourself.

    Oh, I don't know. A cage match between the orange man and the Cherokee princess could be awesome. You get to decide which phony you want to vote for.

    Personally I have little doubt that I will vote for the Orangeman. Not only do I live in a blue state where my vote doesn't count, but as awful as he is (and he is pushing the envelope of awfulness), he is, remarkable, less awful than the Cherokee princess and the policies he will run on won't destroy the country. Now, whether he will keep those promises is another story, but he is at least appointing good judges who don't think the way to interpret the Constitution is to decide whether they personally think something is fair and just, and thus they are more likely to hold that the second amendment is part of the constitution and it means what it says.

    By contrast, the Cherokee Princess will appoint judges who believe that the Constitution means whatever the editorial page of the New York Times says it means that day, which in turn means that the second amendment will be declared to be a "group right." The fact that the idea of a group right is ridiculous, and it will be the only group right in the Constitution won't stop them--they're woke and being woke on the Second Amendment means that it means pretty much nothing. The CP also has a "Plan" for everything, and for the most part those "Plans" mean we will pay higher taxes for more useless and in fact damaging government programs. The Cherokee Princess is also fond of creating new federal bureaucracies whose budgets can't be cut and whose administrators can't be fired. Because Big Government is good and truly massive and unaccountable government is doubleplus good. Maybe doubleplussquared good.

    Perhaps in 2024 we will get a real choice. Maybe Oprah Winfrey versus the former frontman for a 1990's boy band. That would push the awesomeness level off the charts. It could go to 11 with enough cowbell! But in 2020 all we will get is a choice that is an echo of awfulness.

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    The tactic the Democrats should have adopted in Nov 2016 would be to drop the REEEEEE!, congratulate Trump for his win, flatter the hell out of him, and get him to make deals friendly to their agenda.
    He would very likely have played along, angered his base, and would already have a bunch of R challengers.

    Instead, it's been REEEEEEE! RUSSIA! REEEEEEEEE! STORMY REEEEEEE! UKRAINE REEEEEEE! VOTE FOR THESE SOCIALIST!!! REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

    This has pretty much guaranteed that a lot of people (me included) who were doubtful bout Trump in 2016 would crawl nekkid over a football field of broken glass to vote for him in 2020.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    The 2020 election is the most important political event on the horizon. If Trump were committing flagrant violations of campaign finance laws, then I bet the FEC could scrounge the personnel to investigate it. They are not investigating it because they know that that DOJ could not build a case for it.

    The problem for the Dems is that interacting with foreign heads of state to root out corruption is in the President’s job description and the bar for a quid pro quo is pretty high when legitimate policy positions can explain the quid. The Public Corruption offices of the DOJ (these are career prosecutors, not Trump appointees) have already said this is not a crime. This is exactly why nobody from the Obama Administration will be prosecuted for foreign coordination in Crossfire-Hurricane unless it can be shown that they new the investigation was predicated on false pretenses and coordinated with foreign entities out of bad faith. The fact that Trump would not be prosecuted once removed from office should give Congress some pause about trying to overturn the results of an election less than 1 year before another election. I might agree with your position if the FEC was crying foul and DOJ felt they hand enough to take to a grand jury once Trump was out of office.

    The problem for Trump is that he has muddied the waters by allowing Rudy to get involved with this mess. While it makes perfect sense for a lawyer to investigate previous false charges directed at their client, the President is no ordinary client. Unless great care is taken, it becomes very easy for the lawyer to intersect the President’s private legal interests with their official duties. Neither Rudy nor Trump would know great care if it bit them on the ass.
    So how many people besides his political opponents is the Admin investigating?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeep View Post
    Personally I have little doubt that I will vote for the Orangeman. Not only do I live in a blue state where my vote doesn't count, but as awful as he is (and he is pushing the envelope of awfulness), he is, remarkable, less awful than the Cherokee princess and the policies he will run on won't destroy the country.
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe in PNG View Post
    This has pretty much guaranteed that a lot of people (me included) who were doubtful bout Trump in 2016 would crawl nekkid over a football field of broken glass to vote for him in 2020.
    You two are (sadly) echoing my thoughts on the matter. I very strongly dislike having a self-important, blustering assclown for a president, but at least he's not [explicitly, anyway] trying to trample on my rights. I could not in good conscience vote for him (or Clinton) last time around, but this time, I'm not sure I can avoid voting for him, especially since there have been predictions that MN, which has gone blue in the every presidential election in my lifetime and only red 3 times since 1928, may be a battleground state in 2020. If my vote might actually matter, I feel that it would be irresponsible not to vote against the socialists. It's a shit choice regardless, though.

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    My hope is that an Orange Man landslide would hopefully turn the Democratic party away from their current fascination with trying to be some sort of Arrogant Wokeskold Aristocracy, and back to their roots representing the Blue Collar Regular Guys.
    Or shut down the really scary idea of states like Colorado throwing their electoral college votes to whoever gets the national popular vote. That alone is worth Four More Years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe in PNG View Post
    The tactic the Democrats should have adopted in Nov 2016 would be to drop the REEEEEE!, congratulate Trump for his win, flatter the hell out of him, and get him to make deals friendly to their agenda.
    He would very likely have played along, angered his base, and would already have a bunch of R challengers.

    Instead, it's been REEEEEEE! RUSSIA! REEEEEEEEE! STORMY REEEEEEE! UKRAINE REEEEEEE! VOTE FOR THESE SOCIALIST!!! REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

    This has pretty much guaranteed that a lot of people (me included) who were doubtful bout Trump in 2016 would crawl nekkid over a football field of broken glass to vote for him in 2020.
    And it is all because Hillary could not stand to lose to an orange reality TV show store. So first we had recounts until, as in Detroit, they showed many heavily Dem areas with far more votes than voters. When that started coming out, Jill Stein and the Green Party suddenly lost their usefulness and were removed from the narrative. As far as the media is concerned there were no recounts. Then La Resistance began. Trump was illegitimate because he admitted to assaulting women (he said no such thing but neither La Resistance or the media can be bothered to get the facts right). Then he became Putin's troll. And that allegation--treated as Gospel truth for over two years despite and utter lack of evidence for it--justified a journalistic assault on a sitting President that far exceeded anything in the past. We now find that the allegation was deliberately spread by the heads of the CIA and FBI after they launched multiple investigations of Trump during the election (almost certainly on orders or hints from higher). And when the Mueller Report revealed what anyone who was paying attention knew, that there was no evidence that Trump and Putin colluded (though there is plenty of evidence suggesting that Putin's intelligence service was behind many of the leaks that started and sustained the hysteria). Now they are going to impeach him because he asked Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden's protection of Hunter Biden's directorship of the gas company. I don't think Trump should have made that call, but there can be little doubt that Hunter Biden was retained for only one reason--he was a conduit to Obama's VP. It might not have been corrupt in actuality but it was certainly corrupt in intent--Ukraine wanted an in with the Obama administration.

    I did not like Trump in 2020. I do not like him now. I think he is self-indulgent, behaves terribly, fires anyone with the guts to disagree with him and is completely unsuited for the office. I also think Hillary would have been worse, and the last almost three years show the utter corruption of our Deep State governing classes, which still refuse to concede the 2016 election, and are outraged when the dirty secrets of leading Dem politicians--such as the sweet Ukraine gigs of Hunter Biden and Nancy Pelosi's son are revealed.

    Trump is, in my mind, bad for America. Significantly bad. The Swamp; the Deep State, the thoroughly compromised and connected media, the people who tried to destroy Brett Kavanaugh in order to keep their power are worse. Significantly worse.

    As distasteful as I find him, Orangeman presents much less of a long-term threat to the country than the corrupt, hysterical, hypocritical and hateful governing classes we have. Not only will they bring in a radical leftist if they have their way (assuming, probably correctly, that their own money, prestige and power face no threat) but one group they absolutely hate with a burning passion are gun owners.

    And that is us. I'm not eager to become an official enemy of the people running the US government, which will happen if Liz Warren wins. I just hope Trump does not sell us out, and given he won't need the NRA if he wins again, he might do so. But whatever he does will pale by comparison to what the Liz Regime will do.
    Last edited by Jeep; 10-05-2019 at 05:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeep View Post
    And it is all because Hillary could not stand to lose to an orange reality TV show store. So first we had recounts until, as in Detroit, they showed many heavily Dem areas with far more votes than voters. When that started coming out, Jill Stein and the Green Party suddenly lost their usefulness and were removed from the narrative. As far as the media is concerned there were no recounts. Then La Resistance began. Trump was illegitimate because he admitted to assaulting women (he said no such thing but neither La Resistance or the media can be bothered to get the facts right). Then he became Putin's troll. And that allegation--treated as Gospel truth for over two years despite and utter lack of evidence for it--justified a journalistic assault on a sitting President that far exceeded anything in the past. We now find that the allegation was deliberately spread by the heads of the CIA and FBI after they launched multiple investigations of Trump during the election (almost certainly on orders or hints from higher). And when the Mueller Report revealed what anyone who was paying attention knew, that there was no evidence that Trump and Putin colluded (though there is plenty of evidence suggesting that Putin's intelligence service was behind many of the leaks that started and sustained the hysteria). Now they are going to impeach him because he asked Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden's protection of Hunter Biden's directorship of the gas company. I don't think Trump should have made that call, but there can be little doubt that Hunter Biden was retained for only one reason--he was a conduit to Obama's VP. It might not have been corrupt in actuality but it was certainly corrupt in intent--Ukraine wanted an in with the Obama administration.

    I did not like Trump in 2020. I do not like him now. I think he is self-indulgent, behaves terribly, fires anyone with the guts to disagree with him and is completely unsuited for the office. I also think Hillary would have been worse, and the last almost three years show the utter corruption of our Deep State governing classes, which still refuse to concede the 2016 election, and are outraged when the dirty secrets of leading Dem politicians--such as the sweet Ukraine gigs of Hunter Biden and Nancy Pelosi's son are revealed.

    Trump is, in my mind, bad for American. Significantly bad. The Swamp; the Deep State, the thoroughly compromised and connected media, the people who tried to destroy Brett Kavanaugh in order to keep their power are worse. Significantly worse.

    As distasteful as I find him, Orangeman presents much less of a long-term threat to the country than the corrupt, hysterical, hypocritical and hateful governing classes we have. Not only will they bring in a radical leftist if they have their way (assuming, probably correctly, that their own money, prestige and power face no threat) but one group they absolutely hate with a burning passion are gun owners.

    And that is us. I'm not eager to become an official enemy of the people running the US government, which will happen if Liz Warren wins. I just hope Trump does not sell us out, and given he won't need the NRA if he wins again, he might do so. But whatever he does will pale by comparison to what the Liz Regime will do.
    This may he one of the most reasonable takes 92n the situation that I have read.

    I am only replying to posit that, in my observation and opinion, gun owners already are seen as enemies of the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zincwarrior View Post
    So how many people besides his political opponents is the Admin investigating?
    Apparently a lot. Apparently Durham has McCabe, Comey, Brennan et al in his crosshairs over the origins of Crossfire Hurricane. It sounds like Ukraine may have played a prominent role in that hoax.

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