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    Well this totally sucks... might as well get that stupid hellcat if this is really happening.

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    I thought a beretta 92 mag would fit in the 48. If thatís true, thereís nothing really special about the mag body.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HopetonBrown View Post
    Steve Fisher saying something about a cease and desist letter from Sig. Attachment 44804
    Has anyone actually confirmed a cease and desist was issued?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff S. View Post
    Basically says ďwe have a single stack magazine that transitions to a double stack, which allows the chamber area, slide width, and the area around the trigger guard width to conform to single stack standards, but the double stack portion allows for double stack capacity.Ē

    Itís also more complicated than that. At face value, itís not the first single stack/double stack hybrid, but the patent also goes into greater depth.


    https://patents.justia.com/patent/20190195584

    https://patents.justia.com/patent/D858680
    The first link appears to be a published application rather than an issued patent. That means the claims might not be in the final form or in allowable condition.

    The second is a design patent that protects the appearance, not the functional features.

    I cannot promise anything but will try to look up more details tomorrow.


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    They did put up a status update page for the S15 specifically
    https://shieldarms.com/s15-updates

    Hopefully there isnít an update about a C&D, that would be some bs

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4gallonbucket View Post
    I thought a beretta 92 mag would fit in the 48. If thatís true, thereís nothing really special about the mag body.
    It fits, but it's snug, so it wouldnít drop free. A few thousandths narrower and youíre good to go. Yeah, I donít see what the issue is, or how Sig can block this.

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    Sig has big money and they can use lawyers to bankrupt smaller companies with frivolous lawsuits. I looked at the patent application and besides a lot of bullshit I didnít see anything new. I wish sig would spend their time and money on better quality control and better products. I just saw a new sig 365 sas. Probably a good marketing move but for actual use they should take whoever designed it out behind the woodshed and knock the stupid out of them. Better yet have their management go through 120 hours of high round count shooting training at their own school.

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    Are they really using checkmate? I hope not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poconnor View Post
    Sig has big money and they can use lawyers to bankrupt smaller companies with frivolous lawsuits. I looked at the patent application and besides a lot of bullshit I didnít see anything new. I wish sig would spend their time and money on better quality control and better products. I just saw a new sig 365 sas. Probably a good marketing move but for actual use they should take whoever designed it out behind the woodshed and knock the stupid out of them. Better yet have their management go through 120 hours of high round count shooting training at their own school.

    What you got the be careful about, is that Iím the one who posted those two links, and I found them in a 30 second google search. There could be other patents (patent searching isnít easy), and I didnít try very hard. I could be mistaken, but I recall Phil Strader saying they have three patents on the magazine.

    The way I see it, if there is anything novel about the P365 magazine (and Sig spent the time and money designing it), then of course theyíre going to protect the patents. Thereís also the obvious problem that the C&D letter is just a rumor, and may very well be untrue. And even if it is true, it doesnít guarantee a lawsuit will happen. If they do sue and itís completely frivolous, then I hope they have to pay both parties lawyer fees.


    Thinking about it, it is interesting that Checkmate is making the S15 magazine, since they are the one contracted by Sig to manufacture the P365 magazine. Patents aside, Iíd think Sig would have protections in the contract with Checkmate to prevent them from manufacturing similar magazines (and for all we know, the S15 may be nothing like the P365 magazine and all this speculation is for nothing).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poconnor View Post
    Are they really using checkmate? I hope not
    This concerns me as well...

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