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    I can’t tell. What magazine is that article in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreggW View Post
    I can’t tell. What magazine is that article in?
    Bozeman Outside
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    I remember seeing his Facebook video from right after the attack as he got to his truck. Tough son of a bitch.

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    Edit: here is a reupload to youtube.

    Last edited by Cory; 09-09-2019 at 06:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    Bozeman Outside
    Oops, make that “Outside Bozeman.”

    Here is my take on bear spray.

    From the perspective of a park ranger, bear spray is a perfect recommendation. It doesn’t cost much. Compared to a firearm, it takes relatively little skill to use. It keeps guns out of the hands of people with a low skill level. And, perhaps most importantly to them, the bear is unlikely to get hurt.

    From the perspective of a regular person, bear spray is also an excellent recommendation. They want something that makes them feel better, and frankly it may be more effective for most people, given the amount of firearms expertise required to use a weapon defensively against a bear.

    From the perspective of a skilled firearms person, I think bear spray sucks. A skilled person knows that bear spray is not part of a layered approach, since deploying bear spray compromises your ability to effectively deploy a firearm. If bear spray fails, you are unlikely to have time to deploy a firearm. Yet having bear spray with you, at least in lower 48, creates opportunities for second guessing by the authorities and public at large, in your defensive use of a firearm — as in “why did you shoot the bear when you had spray?” I think a warning shot effectively becomes your “bear spray.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidheshooter View Post
    The only thing I know for sure: Imma gonna drive to Manhattan, MT and have a steak...
    Worth it! The sell their endcuts to other high end restaurants to use as filets. I spent a couple-few years in Gallatin Gateway and we'd hit Sir Scott's every couple of months. Best prime rib I've ever had, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Mutt View Post
    Worth it! The sell their endcuts to other high end restaurants to use as filets. I spent a couple-few years in Gallatin Gateway and we'd hit Sir Scott's every couple of months. Best prime rib I've ever had, too.
    Good to know. I wasn’t kidding; we get to Missoula a couple of times a year, and it’s been a while since we have been to Bozeman, so I could see a trip in the offing.
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    A Mossberg 500 12 ga security shotgun with 18 inch barrel, aluminum receiver, synthetic stock, and 5 shot mag tube capacity makes a lightweight bear protector. Carry it and leave the big handgun at home if extra weight is a concern. The Mossberg ain't a cool gun, and some might scoff at this box store special, but would it not perform this role well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by willie View Post
    A Mossberg 500 12 ga security shotgun with 18 inch barrel, aluminum receiver, synthetic stock, and 5 shot mag tube capacity makes a lightweight bear protector. Carry it and leave the big handgun at home if extra weight is a concern. The Mossberg ain't a cool gun, and some might scoff at this box store special, but would it not perform this role well?
    I don’t see it as either/or, as the handgun and long gun are complementary for bear defense. A long gun in a heavy caliber gives you an opportunity to break down a bear, and stop it without an upper CNS shot. A handgun allows you to do things, like fish, fly or work, where your shotgun will be against a tree or otherwise not in your hands.
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    My personal view on using OC spray for unruly bears mirrors the views I had when I was a LEO using it as a component in dealing with unruly people. It may (under favorable circumstances) have some usefulness when encountering "resistive" individuals, but "assaultive" behavior isn't the place for spray ..... that clearly demands a greater level of force if you want a predictable outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 41magfan View Post
    My personal view on using OC spray for unruly bears mirrors the views I had when I was a LEO using it as a component in dealing with unruly people. It may (under favorable circumstances) have some usefulness when encountering "resistive" individuals, but "assaultive" behavior isn't the place for spray ..... that clearly demands a greater level of force if you want a predictable outcome.
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