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    In 2019 weapon lights are mandatory....convince me otherwise

    Title says it all. Tech has evolved. Kydex is everywhere for about anything you want.

    Iím 50/50 in the daily carry of a weapon light. Ive Used both handheld and weapon lights in the shoot house/FOF

    I fully understand weapon lights are not admin or general search tools and I always have a handheld with ringring/lanyard. That said Iíd much rather point a gun with a light at something, asses it is not a threat and stop pointing my gun at it than to proceed in the darkness of no PID

    For sure....it will get dark before youíre in a known safe area so, discuss


    If your pistol has a rail - for you - is a weapon light mandatory ?

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    they don't think like us blues's Avatar
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    Nightstand gun...yes.

    EDC...no.


    Tom Givens provides a well reasoned discussion of the topic. (Not that it had any influence on my personal decision...just referencing it for those who might want to look into it.)


    ETA: I thought we were only talking handguns. If we are including long guns, my rifle and shotgun each have lights.
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    I would never point a pistol at someone to determine if they were a threat. I would use a hand held light and be ready to use my pistol if necessary.

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    My Shield has a Lightguard (with laser) mounted. It's my go to pocket/NPE/casual carry gun. I mainly got it for the laser, but the light is a good option, and it breaks up the outline a bit in the pocket.

    My bedside/ things that go bump gun is a CZ Evo with brace, optic, and flashlight.
    My AR has a bracket for the light from the CZ.

    My 1911 doesn't, but I usually only tote that during daylight hours.

    I don't think a light is mandatory on handguns, but it's nice to have if not inconvenient.
    Long gun is a bit different, as it doesn't make things inconvenient to have one.
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    If your pistol has a rail - for you - is a weapon light mandatory?
    Nope. My daily carry is a PX4 and a Microstream. However (comma, pause for effect) my nightstand gun is an M&P40 with a TLR-1. I like having one hand free if needed, and there's enough spill that I don't have to point my muzzle at someone to get positive ID in my house. If there's a bump in the night outside my house, I plan to not see what it is if my family is inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBP55 View Post
    I would never point a pistol at someone to determine if they were a threat. I would use a hand held light and be ready to use my pistol if necessary.
    People do weird shit when theyíre provoked......especially in groups.

    Itís quite likely a non combatant could find themselves running toward your already drawn blaster....while ignoring your commands (if you had the presence of mind to make any clear enough to be observed) and while not showing their hands

    Letís say you just toasted someone in their immediate vicinity. Theyíre doing the above, charging you.


    It just happens youíre in front of the last place they knew to be an escape route and they donít actually realize it was you shooting someone.


    This very thing was a scenario in a purposely overcrowded FOF class not long ago I was in.

    A lot of folk got Guns pointed at them. Most didnít get shot needlessly.

    Iím not saying youíre wrong about. Iím just saying ďneverĒ is pretty hard to quantify in a mass confusion style fight.

    Again. Not advocating weapon light and gun point as the way do to it....in several cases though I saw it just happen.
    Last edited by Duke; 09-07-2019 at 07:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBP55 View Post
    I would never point a pistol at someone to determine if they were a threat. I would use a hand held light and be ready to use my pistol if necessary.
    So what is the point of the WML?

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    Carried a wml on duty for years.

    Don't anymore.

    Don't carry wml off duty either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voodoo_man View Post
    Carried a wml on duty for years.

    Don't anymore.

    Don't carry wml off duty either.
    Why?


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    https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....on-CCW-Pistols

    Thereís 13 pages on this from four moths ago.


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