Mental illness takes many forms. A run through the list of history's most prolific serial killers will yield a list of profoundly ill people who were capable of hatching and executing very clever plans. I don't think mass shooters are any different.Originally Posted by HCM
The dem candidates are all over this. This might get some attention in congress now. I wouldn't want to be the GOP politician to vote against any gun control bills coming up. It will certainly be used against you if you run for reelection. Even an A rating by the NRA might not be such a good thing anymore.One might say that it is an attempt to minimize the tragedy in order to protect politicians whose rhetoric might have contributed to egging on a shooter.
Last edited by Borderland; 08-04-2019 at 08:08 PM.
In the P-F basket of deplorables.
I am local, but have been out of town, but this sure doesn't look random. Fuckhead was (I think) at the bar, left and came back and killed his sister and her boyfriend.
ETA: I have no knowledge of the events, but am probably too familiar with the area from frequenting it over the last forty years. It is not quite Bourbon Street, but within about 350 yards there are 10-15 bars and restaurants. At that time of night on a nice night like last night, the street would have also been very crowded. So out of at least two thousand people to shoot, two of the people are his sister and her boyfriend, I don't think it would be bold speculation that this is not a random act.
Last edited by mmc45414; 08-04-2019 at 09:08 PM.
at least this hour.
At this rate...by the time I post it might be OBE...
https://breaking911.com/tragedy-aver...lubbock-texas/
Last edited by Gray01; 08-04-2019 at 09:44 PM.
While there is no official word on the motive for the Dayton shooting, there is now clear evidence the Dayton Shooter was a left wing extremist. The shooter acting less than 24 hours after the right wing extremist in El Paso, TX is.... interesting.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...aWX-ZDNCT8eYNg
Ohio gunman described himself as pro-Satan 'leftist' who supported Elizabeth Warren
The Ohio gunman described himself on social media as a pro-Satan “leftist” who wanted Joe Biden’s generation to die off, hated President Trump and law enforcement, and hoped to vote for Sen. Elizabeth Warren for president.“I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding,” he wrote in one tweet, according to Heavy.com.
The breaking-news outlet said it had found Betts‘ Twitter page (handle @iamthespookster) and verified that the account belonged to the gunman “through multiple verification factors, including a matching tattoo on both a page selfie and prominent news outlets’ pictures of Connor Betts; several family linkages to the page; similar photos, including of him and the family dog, on the page and family members’ verified accounts; and references to college and growing up in Ohio and Dayton.”
The Twitter account painted a picture of a left-wing anarchist and discontent, very far from the anti-immigration manifesto posted by Saturday’s El Paso gunman.
“Vote blue for gods sake,” he wrote last Nov. 2. On the day of the senator’s death, Betts wrote “F—k John McCain.”
Though he had a fascination for guns, Betts also was a fan of gun control and blamed Republicans for school shootings.Politically, Betts was on the far left. His pinned Top Tweet was a retweet of someone else’s claim that “Millennials have a message for the Joe Biden generation: hurry up and die.”
When another Twitter user posted a picture of Ms. Warren and 2020 Democratic presidential rival Kamala Harris and asked “co-Presidents?” Betts poured scorn.
“Nahh, but only cuz Harris is a cop - Warren I’d happily vote for,” he replied.
When noting that alt-right demonstrators were marching in Charlottesville, a rally that later ended in the death of Heather Heyer, he exhort
When noting that alt-right demonstrators were marching in Charlottesville, a rally that later ended in the death of Heather Heyer, he exhorted his followers: “Kill every fascist.”
According to Heavy, Betts also shared posts about “concentration camps” at the border and wrote, “Cut the fences down. Slice ICE tires. Throw bolt cutters over the fences.”
Last edited by HCM; 08-05-2019 at 12:55 AM.
The shooter in Dayton was very much an open leftist. Andy Ngo has been covering this.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status...62110364311553
#RESIST
What's clear is that both of them had serious mental problems. Overnight I read an article that Betts had a hit list while in high school, and the Dayton news said yesterday that when asked about Betts, people said, "I'm not surprised it was him." Both of these guys formed whatever warped ideology they have or had in order to justify mass murder.
"Gunfighting is a thinking man's game. So we might want to bring thinking back into it."-MDFA
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Making the shootings in El Paso and Dayton about right or left is the wrong place to start and will lead to the wrong conclusions or proposed solutions.
Start with mental illness, and then go from there. If these assholes had never heard of socialism or white supremacy, they'd have still found a reason to kill others.
"Gunfighting is a thinking man's game. So we might want to bring thinking back into it."-MDFA
Beware of my temper, and the dog that I've found...
I disagree. There has been a strong rise of white supremacist / antisemetic attacks in the last five years. Just as Al Qaeda / ISIL / Taliban / etc. have been radicalizing young men, young men are now being radicalized in this way as well. It needs to be treated as domestic terrorism and dealt with like the domestic terrorism it is. Mass shootings are just one aspect of that.
Andy McCabe agrees with you. He was suggesting more electronic and online surveillance. But how does that help when they're spewing the wrong hate? Or when they're not spewing it until just before shooting?
"Gunfighting is a thinking man's game. So we might want to bring thinking back into it."-MDFA
Beware of my temper, and the dog that I've found...
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