Mass shooting in Ohio

[TAZ]

I imagine there was a male involved somewhere along the way...

Being a father takes a bit more than donating some sperm, either directly to the mother or via the scenic route. Same for being a mother. Takes more than just gestating a child and delivering them into the world.

People have abdicated their roles as parents to a huge degree. We now have at least 2 generations who want to be friends first and latest after. Bad stuff happens.

I’d love to see more traditional family structures reinforced, but at the same time I’d settle for people just being parents.

[jtcarm]

That requires a Supreme Court willing to say they actually meant what they said in Miller. Kavanaugh arguably will vote that way based upon his past decisions. Will Roberts?

It also requires such a case -- whether a brace, a magazine-fed semi-auto, or anything else we commonly use -- being before the Court to decide. And... there isn't one. All we've really got right now is a vessel for the Court to issue a half-baked opinion dealing with an outlier New York law and punt the issue of how they will decide 2A cases and faint hopes that Roberts will agree to explicitly extend the core 2A protections outside the home.

Unfortunately, our court system is dramatically slower to respond to these things than our state legislatures.

I wouldn’t trust Roberts to stick to a constructionist philosophy in a high-profile case where doing so might be unpopular.

[LittleLebowski]

Newsletter? For real?

Quoting this.

[JHC]

Quoting this.

Oh wow. This is just like when Stoeger Rick rolled me!

[Lon]

Spoke with one of our Tac medics today. He told me most of the victims were transported to the hospital by Dayton PD and private vehicles. Only 5 by medics. Kudos to DPD, from what I was told they did a hell of a job treating the injured. The ER staff gave them mad props as well:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=92Kfja...=youtu.be#menu

[BobM]

Spoke with one of our Tac medics today. He told me most of the victims were transported to the hospital by Dayton PD and private vehicles. Only 5 by medics. Kudos to DPD, from what I was told they did a hell of a job treating the injured. The ER staff gave them mad props as well:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=92Kfja...=youtu.be#menu

That's good to hear. I've been to a couple of the OTOA Active Assailant conferences with debriefings by officers, fire personnel, and hospital staff. Incidents reviewed included the Aurora theater, Washington Navy Yard, San Bernardino, Las Vegas, and some school shootings. It seems in a lot of these, LE neutralizes the shooter relatively quickly, then there is significant delay in getting the wounded to the hospital.

[Lon]

That's good to hear. I've been to a couple of the OTOA Active Assailant conferences with debriefings by officers, fire personnel, and hospital staff. Incidents reviewed included the Aurora theater, Washington Navy Yard, San Bernardino, Las Vegas, and some school shootings. It seems in a lot of these, LE neutralizes the shooter relatively quickly, then there is significant delay in getting the wounded to the hospital.

I think you’ll see that start to change. I think many cops have realized it’s quicker to take them to get treatment in the back of a patrol car than wait. Orlando, Aurora, Dayton are just a few places where LE has made transports in mass casualty incidents. The Rescue Task Force concept is good, but still takes a while. I believe we will eventually see the load and go transport by LE become a standard practice and not an improvisation.

[BillSWPA]

I think you’ll see that start to change. I think many cops have realized it’s quicker to take them to get treatment in the back of a patrol car than wait. Orlando, Aurora, Dayton are just a few places where LE has made transports in mass casualty incidents. The Rescue Task Force concept is good, but still takes a while. I believe we will eventually see the load and go transport by LE become a standard practice and not an improvisation.

I hope that proves to be correct. My understanding is that dealing with internal bleeding is one of the biggest factors in surviving or not, and that this is best done at the hospital. So, getting the victims to the hospital as quickly as possible is one of the most important things that can be done for them.

[Beendare]

Absolutely not.

I can’t speak to the Dayton shooter but there is no indication the El Paso shooter is mentally ill by any clinical definition. Like the Sutherland springs shooter and the NZ shooter, he was calm, calculating and efficient. That is simply Evil. Evil exists.
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Like I say...I dunno...and of course its impossible to put everyone in a neat little box.

Seems to me someone doing this type of thing has to be one (or more) bricks short of a load....but it makes sense there are all types. All I know is its not the guns fault.

[Zincwarrior]

Being a father takes a bit more than donating some sperm, either directly to the mother or via the scenic route. Same for being a mother. Takes more than just gestating a child and delivering them into the world.

People have abdicated their roles as parents to a huge degree. We now have at least 2 generations who want to be friends first and latest after. Bad stuff happens.

I’d love to see more traditional family structures reinforced, but at the same time I’d settle for people just being parents.

I think you missed the joke...