US Secret Service Adopts Glock 19 MOS Gen 5 in 9mm

[WhiskersTheCat]

Have their been a statistically significant number of shootings with the P90 by USSS and others? If so, has the 5.7x28mm turned out to be the Epic Fail I suspected it would be?

When I left the cop-shop in 2002, I was on a committee that was tasked with revamping All The Guns on our PD. Anything was on the table. We had a guy that was advocating for the P90, but fortunately the Lt. in charge said "sounds like a really expensive .22 Magnum to me."

Not that I am aware of. I'm not aware of any shootings with the P90 by USSS. But ballistics testing, and commonality of arms played a larger role in the switch

[WhiskersTheCat]

Yup. 50 round mag but it’s really a two bad guy gun.

I believe the USSS guys who had them got them in the 1990s specifically to provide soft body armor penetration their MP5s lacked. The SR-16 the use now is better in every way.

This.

And before that it was Uzis. MP5 was better than an Uzi at the time. SR16 is better than all three.

[Joe in PNG]

Have their been a statistically significant number of shootings with the P90 by USSS and others? If so, has the 5.7x28mm turned out to be the Epic Fail I suspected it would be?

When I left the cop-shop in 2002, I was on a committee that was tasked with revamping All The Guns on our PD. Anything was on the table. We had a guy that was advocating for the P90, but fortunately the Lt. in charge said "sounds like a really expensive .22 Magnum to me."

I always thought one would make a great prairie dog gun.

[Lester Polfus]

I recall a hostage rescue unit, either in South or Central America used them to effect a rescue. No idea how many times the shot the hostage taker.

I wonder if you are thinking of Operation Chavín de Huántar, when the Peruvian military stormed the Japanese embassy because some terrorist had taken it over.

IIRC, all the terrorists died, which was the expected outcome, but the rules were a little different than they would be for the average cop shop here in the US.

[John Hearne]

I recall a hostage rescue unit, either in South or Central America used them to effect a rescue. No idea how many times the shot the hostage taker.

Peruvian rescue of Japanese embassy. Alleged human rights violations from the number of times they had to shoot the bad guys.

[Hambo]

I wonder if you are thinking of Operation Chavín de Huántar, when the Peruvian military stormed the Japanese embassy because some terrorist had taken it over.

IIRC, all the terrorists died, which was the expected outcome, but the rules were a little different than they would be for the average cop shop here in the US.

Peruvian rescue of Japanese embassy. Alleged human rights violations from the number of times they had to shoot the bad guys.

Thanks for filling in the memory.

[TCinVA]

Have their been a statistically significant number of shootings with the P90 by USSS and others? If so, has the 5.7x28mm turned out to be the Epic Fail I suspected it would be?

When I left the cop-shop in 2002, I was on a committee that was tasked with revamping All The Guns on our PD. Anything was on the table. We had a guy that was advocating for the P90, but fortunately the Lt. in charge said "sounds like a really expensive .22 Magnum to me."

As best I know, Jacksonville Sheriff's Office has had more real world uses of the P90 than anyone else. With disturbingly underwhelming results.