US Secret Service Adopts Glock 19 MOS Gen 5 in 9mm

[HCM]

http://soldiersystems.net/2019/08/01...edium=facebook

US Secret Service Adopts Glock 19 MOS Gen 5 in 9mm

Lookalike they are going with the CBP version and will purchase them off the CBP contract.

The 19.5 MOS will be the standard issue replacing the P229 in .357 but USSS will also acquire some G26 and G47s.

[Zincwarrior]

Whats wrong with the Sig 229 they use now?

Alternatively why not an M&P 2.0 compact?

[Arbninftry]

The .357 sig really is hard on the platform. So this could be a maintenance issue. Also the 9mm is just easier to shoot.

[LittleLebowski]

This is a good move.

[gruntjim]

Since they're switching calibers, and therefore loads, any word on what their 9mm load will be? In years past, when they issued P228's, they were issuing 115 grain +P+ Remington.

[TGS]

Whats wrong with the Sig 229 they use now?

It's a legacy platform and since 2013 or so, SIG seems to have problems with producing their legacy platforms correctly leading to massive problems. The FAMS, who use the same gun, have had issues with their .357 P229s for the better part of the last decade and service lives averaging around 6,000 instead of the designed 40k+ rounds they should be lasting.

The Service doesn't shoot anywhere near as much as people think they do, but it's a simple fact: their P229s are getting long in the tooth and need to be replaced.

There's also no logical reason to continue using the more expensive, lower capacity, more blasty .357 SIG given the advancements in bullet technology and overwhelming scientific evidence (both testing and OIS street results corroboration) that the 9mm is just as good for the job.

The CBP lineup of pistols is probably the most efficient, effective and varied lineup of pistols available to federal agencies today. My agency piggybacked on the FBI contract for G19Ms, but we still had to find another contract to piggy back on to buy our Gen 4 Glock 26s (Gen 5s were not available yet) and the sights ended up having different POA/POI. The CBP contract gives an agency 3 thoroughly vetted pistols of varying sizes to fulfill almost any mission profile in federal law enforcement.

ETA: There are at least two guys on the forum that were part of the CBP contract, and the result of their work is outstanding. It's no wonder that another major agency is piggy-backing their work, and I fully expect to see more agencies do the same.

Alternatively why not an M&P 2.0 compact?

The M&P Compact has not been tested out rigorously like these Glocks have. It's a 100% pragmatic, responsible decision on the Service's part. 1) They are picking a gun that is thoroughly teste/vetted, and 2) They're picking a gun that was the decided winner from a procurement program, so there's little cost. If they wanted to do something else, they'd have to hold an RFP, accept bids, conduct testing & evaluation, etc. It would cost millions of dollars. If there's a preexisting procurement program/contract that they can piggyback on (such as the ICE, CBP, or FBI contracts), then they can just pick it and go.

[Zincwarrior]

Thanks! That was very helpful to both questions!

[tcba_joe]

Whats wrong with the Sig 229 they use now?

Alternatively why not an M&P 2.0 compact?

I believe they're buying off the CBP contract.

The M&P hasn't won anything in recent history, the 2.0 hasn't won anything at all.

[TCB]

I bet they get theirs waaaay before we get ours...

[voodoo_man]

From my personal experience with the USSS guys, they are always a step ahead of the curve and really understand hardware requirements.

Obviously someone with some understanding made this decision.