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    Lessons to Learn (Negligent Discharge Video)

    While the following link is of an officers body camera during a negligent discharge, I’m of the mind this incident offers lessons to learn for all who carry guns whether they’re uniformed or not.

    https://youtu.be/Z7uJQ_nwZ4I
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    Recently, at a match I didn't attend - there was a shotgun ND about a foot from the SO's foot. I'm told the participant was unskilled and probably a newbie with the gun. In one sense, with more demanding guns, I wonder if there should be a competency test before competing. Some outfits do that or have a safety course. I had a guy put a 45 ACP a foot from my foot when he 'loaded and made ready'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn E. Meyer View Post
    Recently, at a match I didn't attend - there was a shotgun ND about a foot from the SO's foot. I'm told the participant was unskilled and probably a newbie with the gun. In one sense, with more demanding guns, I wonder if there should be a competency test before competing. Some outfits do that or have a safety course. I had a guy put a 45 ACP a foot from my foot when he 'loaded and made ready'.
    I don’t see this is as a problem a fixed test can solve. The video & your examples dovetail with the idea of cognitive overload; regardless of the individuals mental capabilities having too much to do at once causes people to “forget” how to handle guns. They may be knowledgeable and well instructed; but in the heat of having too much to process in a short time interval the details are forgotten, leading to the Loud Noise.

    Being at a match for the first time, clearing a home when a sudden stimuli presents itself...all instances of someone already operating at high mental alertness being confronted with a sudden event.
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    Is it standard practice to use a WML to search and illuminate as we saw in that video?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clusterfrack View Post
    Is it standard practice to use a WML to search and illuminate as we saw in that video?
    Fuck, no. That was hard to watch. This is why we can't have nice things.
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    Muzzles partner, pulls trigger. "What happened?"

    Very sad.

    A member of my club, experienced competitive shooter, put a round thru his own leg recently at a match. Fortunately he suffered no lasting damage.

    Sloppy gun handling is fine, until it's not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clusterfrack View Post
    Is it standard practice to use a WML to search and illuminate as we saw in that video?
    Nope. Horrible practice that has probably resulted in people getting shot who didn't need to be.

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    If you're searching a house in good lighting and are in a situation that warrants putting a gun where your eyes are (like looking for an intruder in a house you've been told nobody else is present that has a right to be there), doing the same thing in a darkened area doesn't change that.

    With that said, you shouldn't be using the WML in the same manner you would as a handheld, and searching with a WML should ideally be done in a depressed position using the light bounce. Using the WML like a handheld leads to sloppy handling where you are habitually, unconsciously using your gun as a pointer instead of keeping it in a referenced, hardwired ready position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TGS View Post
    If you're searching a house in good lighting and are in a situation that warrants putting a gun where your eyes are (like looking for an intruder in a house you've been told nobody else is present that has a right to be there), doing the same thing in a darkened area doesn't change that.

    With that said, you shouldn't be using the WML in the same manner you would as a handheld, and searching with a WML should ideally be done in a depressed position using the light bounce. Using the WML like a handheld leads to sloppy handling where you are habitually, unconsciously using your gun as a pointer instead of keeping it in a referenced, hardwired ready position.
    Agreed. I typically use a high port to umbrella light in the "ideal" situation you describe though. Same end goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwrun View Post
    Agreed. I typically use a high port to umbrella light in the "ideal" situation you describe though. Same end goal.
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