The Punisher Logo and Police

[FNFAN]

I throw the stupid Spartan helmet bullshit in there as well.

Wait…WHAT?

I’m not a fan of thin blue lines and spartan helmets at all either.

Oh JEEZE!

I kinda liked my Spartan helmet avatar!



Now if y'all take exception to Ms. Zedra.....



But Seriously:

I liked the helmet avatar as it showed the helmet as a remnant of a failed society. The "warrior society" was defeated and died out. I think it's important as law enforcers to not develop the "us vs. them" mindset and remember that it's a relatively small portion of society that are the broken, the abused, the abuser and the predators. It's just that we get called to deal with that class of folks regularly that it seems like humanity kind of sucks sometimes. But that is how we earn our keep!

[AZgunguy]

You used to save the sweatshirts with logo stuff for cop parties and not stuff you would ever wear in public. The world is a different place and the old secret decoder ring stuff is now out there in the “hey, look at me” arena. That gets ugly when THEY actually are looking at you.

Exactly, I had a shirt with the name tag on it, "Hello, My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to die." I only wore it to the range. Even then I had to explain to my sergeant who was unfamiliar with "The Princess Bride."

You don't wear that stuff on the road and you don't have it on your gear.

[andre3k]

I did have a drawing of a penis show up on the end of a ram that we used for a warrant once.
Of all the cop trench art you can draw on a piece of city equipment, why that?

[UNM1136]

I can't stand that stuff.. I go back and forth on my "Service Dog Do Not Pet" patch on my plate carrier that only comes out every few months.

My big thing is to be identifiable. Those silly patches do nothing to identify me and could potentially misidentify me, leading to dumb questions I don't want to have to answer.

All my TBL and comic character stuff is gym wear, and I tend to work out at work.

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[Rex G]

“Punishing” a suspect is, by its very definition, crossing the line into the crime of Official Oppression, in Texas. Yes, use necessary, reasonable force, but, the instant that the intent of the force is to punish, we have committed a crime, ourselves. The court system decides what the punishment will be, and it will not be the job of the PD to carry out the punishment.

This is the lesson, more or less, I taught each of my trainees.

The only members of the PD who can “punish” are the four-legged K9 furpeople, and, of course, the handlers should do their best to minimize that.

As for this character, with the skull-ish logo, is he the raccoon-ish one, or the one with the hammer, or, perhaps, the one who rides on a flying surfboard?

[Lon]

Wait…WHAT?



Oh JEEZE!

I kinda liked my Spartan helmet avatar!



Now if y'all take exception to Ms. Zedra.....



But Seriously:

I liked the helmet avatar as it showed the helmet as a remnant of a failed society. The "warrior society" was defeated and died out. I think it's important as law enforcers to not develop the "us vs. them" mindset and remember that it's a relatively small portion of society that are the broken, the abused, the abuser and the predators. It's just that we get called to deal with that class of folks regularly that it seems like humanity kind of sucks sometimes. But that is how we earn our keep!

I don’t have a problem with Spartan helmets, I have a problem with the dumb shit pictured below.

But Ms. Z is a much better avatar.



Neither do I have a problem with the plain TBL stuff, in moderation.

[HCM]

Add me to the list of people who think the Punisher logo has absolutely no place in law enforcement in the United States. I don’t like it on patches, decals, stickers, clothing, or challenge coins. The Punisher is a character who murders scores of people. It doesn’t matter that they’re bad people. Murdering people is a crime because it’s a morally evil action. I don’t want the public to ever associate law enforcement officers with the idea that murder is okay.

I’m not a fan of thin blue lines and spartan helmets at all either but they aren’t anywhere near as stupid as Punisher skulls.

There really isn’t anything particularly immoral about killing the people the fictional Punisher targets. The reason the Punisher is inappropriate for LEOs is LEOs are Agents of the rule of law and its associated dignity culture where as the Punisher has rejected the rule of law and the dignity culture for the honor culture.

In those terms an LEO wearing a Punisher symbol is essentially saying the system he/ she represents is ineffective.

Since my academy colleagues apparently don’t teach rookies anything anymore ;-) here is a flow chart which can aid in determining when a Punisher skull is appropriate:

[Sensei]

I liked the helmet avatar as it showed the helmet as a remnant of a failed society.

Within 25 years, you will probably be able to add the Gadsden Flag and the Stars and Stripes to that list. In the end, ancient Sparta will have dominated 500 years of history and we will have barely limped by 250. Let the list be a stark reminder of what happens when your society begins to value granola and gay porn over a warrior ethos.

But yes, I agree that Spartan helmets, Punisher Skulls, Gadsden Flags and all of the other emojis have no business in military or police equipment/attire.

[peterb]

Let the list be a stark reminder of what happens when your society begins to value granola and gay porn over a warrior ethos.

What, now you’re hating on granola? I make a damn good granola/trail mix. The Swiss army eats muesli and nobody gives them grief about it.....

[Poconnor]

I put punisher grips on a Ruger MK ll but that was for my sons when they were pre teens and marvel fans. I don’t even like the FOP emblems or license plates. I like to blend in which means no cool guy shirts, hats or tattoos in public. This reminds me of the sons of anarchy shirts. I always ask myself why do people do these things?