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    I don't get upset at this. Why? I laugh at the idiocy that they risk life and limb to escape the crapholes they live in and then come here and raise the flag of said craphole like they are proud of it in some ignorant, mentally deficient way. You can't fix stupid so why get angry at it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eb07 View Post
    I don't get upset at this. Why? I laugh at the idiocy that they risk life and limb to escape the crapholes they live in and then come here and raise the flag of said craphole like they are proud of it in some ignorant, mentally deficient way. You can't fix stupid so why get angry at it?
    I don't think those are the folks that pulled down our flags...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevolverRob View Post
    I don't know what to make of this.

    Given that probably 90-99% of the protesters were white Americans, it strikes me as cognitive dissonance, political ignorance - oh I get it - it's more slacktivism.

    Illegal immigrants aren't in this country, because they want it to become Mexico/Wherever - they're here because it is not Mexico/Wherever.

    Also, I've never met a Mexican who would go to a political rally. That's silly, if the politics suck, we just move.
    How about a chance to be a fucking dick? There are people who look for a reason to hate this county and all it stands for. We aren’t perfect by a long shot, but this shit pisses me off to no end.

    Professional protesters. Screw them, they all need the hickory shampoo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wondering Beard View Post
    If I remember correctly, the Baader Meinhoff gang (and all the other leftist terrorist groups in Europe) came from well off families.
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    As were the Weathermen/Weather Underground.

    Apparently the combination of a sheltered upbringing and attending college as a social networking phase results in the abstraction and distance from real people required

    to embrace Marxism and Maoism.
    Because when you've been given everything in your life, you start to think everyone should be given everything. You only know how to be given something. You have no conceptual framework for what it is like to work for something. When an individual lacks that perspective, things like Socialism seem great. "I'll just take money from people with more money than me and give it away to the poor." - Never once realizing that they are the people with more money to have it taken from.

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    But they don’t understand why it’s different. That’s a major issue.

    Some cultures are better than others. They need to be taught this, understand it and live it. They need to be American.

    My soon to be wife is from Mexico. She has a harsher view of illegal immigration than me.
    I'm not sure that is true. The know damn well why the U.S. isn't Mexico.

    Many of them lack the means (financially and/or educationally) to immigrate legally and feel they have no choice. Perhaps they do have choices, but don't realize it. My family did not have sympathy for illegals for decades, that is changing now. Mexico is not the same country my great grand parents emigrated from in 1902. It's even more volatile, more dangerous, and more corrupt than ever. For hard working peoples the costs of the legal immigration process into the U.S. represents a years of earnings.

    Don't get me wrong, I think there are illegals who are dangerous to our society here. Those who come only to take and give nothing. I also think the rhetoric makes it difficult to determine which of those immigrants are good vs. bad. The question(s) we want to think about in this realm is how can and if the immigration process can be reformed. And as a result, can we find ways to improve? What isn't working - mass deportations, a border wall, or more of the same. It's the definition of insanity for one failed immigration reform after another, because of none of them are truly reforms.

    Quote Originally Posted by eb07 View Post
    I don't get upset at this. Why? I laugh at the idiocy that they risk life and limb to escape the crapholes they live in and then come here and raise the flag of said craphole like they are proud of it in some ignorant, mentally deficient way. You can't fix stupid so why get angry at it?
    As blues said...those aren't the ones who did it. I'd bet 10-1 that the individuals who pulled down the U.S. flag and flew a Mexican flag in its place, have never been outside of a resort town in Mexico, if they have even been there at all.

    Also just to be clear there is nothing wrong with being proud of your home country (wherever that may be) and your adopted home country (wherever that may be). The idea that individuals must sacrifice their cultural and heritage identities to be Americans is not only incorrect, it's a near perfect manifestation of xenophobia.
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    Some of this is a symptom of the way that most Americans have not served something bigger than themselves since the 1980s. A very small percentage of America volunteers to be US Military, some form of Law Enforcement, firemen, EMS, or other forms of service. Many current Americans have never known hardship and have time for this narcissism.

    Many PF'ers have served or serve in some form or fashion and we tend to associate with those that serves/serve. The snowflakes and protesters may as well be another culture for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevolverRob View Post
    Because when you've been given everything in your life, you start to think everyone should be given everything. You only know how to be given something. You have no conceptual framework for what it is like to work for something. When an individual lacks that perspective, things like Socialism seem great. "I'll just take money from people with more money than me and give it away to the poor." - Never once realizing that they are the people with more money to have it taken from.



    I'm not sure that is true. The know damn well why the U.S. isn't Mexico.

    Many of them lack the means (financially and/or educationally) to immigrate legally and feel they have no choice. Perhaps they do have choices, but don't realize it. My family did not have sympathy for illegals for decades, that is changing now. Mexico is not the same country my great grand parents emigrated from in 1902. It's even more volatile, more dangerous, and more corrupt than ever. For hard working peoples the costs of the legal immigration process into the U.S. represents a years of earnings.

    Don't get me wrong, I think there are illegals who are dangerous to our society here. Those who come only to take and give nothing. I also think the rhetoric makes it difficult to determine which of those immigrants are good vs. bad. The question(s) we want to think about in this realm is how can and if the immigration process can be reformed. And as a result, can we find ways to improve? What isn't working - mass deportations, a border wall, or more of the same. It's the definition of insanity for one failed immigration reform after another, because of none of them are truly reforms.



    As blues said...those aren't the ones who did it. I'd bet 10-1 that the individuals who pulled down the U.S. flag and flew a Mexican flag in its place, have never been outside of a resort town in Mexico, if they have even been there at all.

    Also just to be clear there is nothing wrong with being proud of your home country (wherever that may be) and your adopted home country (wherever that may be). The idea that individuals must sacrifice their cultural and heritage identities to be Americans is not only incorrect, it's a near perfect manifestation of xenophobia.

    I don't think they understand the idea of small government and individual liberty, why we are not as corrupt, or the type of order that made our society. It's not a race thing, but it is a culture and values thing.

    I am deeply familiar with, and interact on an almost daily basis with a wide range of Mexican and Central American immigrants. This includes people from a variety of realms of the socio-economic spectrum.

    Some of them are friends, one of them will be my wife (who I obtained a fiancee visa for). There are a few who understand what it means to be American, but I have not seen evidence that most do. The decedents don't, as evidenced by their voting patterns.

    This issue is much bigger than the Mexican flag incident, and I am less worried by the criminal aliens than I am about decent people not understanding what America is and how to become American. We have plenty of those born here, we do not need to bring more in.

    This is a deal I would make though. We can trade 100 people born here for 1 person from another country. If that person understands America and wants to be American in the fullest sense. Don't care what country, what they look like, what their first language is. 100 for 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNewbie View Post
    But they don’t understand why it’s different. That’s a major issue.

    Some cultures are better than others. They need to be taught this, understand it and live it. They need to be American.

    My soon to be wife is from Mexico. She has a harsher view of illegal immigration than me.
    I have a family member who immigrated from Ecuador. She feels the same way about illegal immigrants. They need to immigrate the same way she did, legally. She has no good will or anything positive to say about mojados. She's well educated and has been employed or in college the entire time she's been here, about 20 years. I was pretty close to some of this having lived on the border the first 16 years of my life.

    I don't like people desecrating the American flag. I've traveled a bit in Africa and Mexico and I can tell you it's a difficult existence. People don't realize what they have here and they can't understand it by listening to a socialist college professor. I would submit that they live in Africa or S. America for a few years without any financial support and see what it's like before they decide they want to change anything here. Most of them couldn't survive there.
    In the P-F basket of deplorables.

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