Waco has a giant VA facility with its own police force. In the past, when they called the local pd for help, they would tell the local cops that they could not enter the property with firearms. Guess what? The locals would leave unless the VA cops relented.
Clarifying these regulations is needed. When the shooting incident with the nutty doctor occurred at Ft. Hood, local cops responded. I would have thought that Army military police would be trained for such.
Few things going on here:
1) The law is perfectly clear: only federal LE may carry firearms in federal facilities/property unless it is official business. Some administrators let local LE carry weapons regardless as long as they're in uniform, some go full retard and say no to anyone, anyhow, anyway, as you noted about Waco (if we take that as fact). The law itself cannot be written more clearly, however.
2) Most military bases share an MOU with the local LE agency for backup. For instance with Joint Base Myers-Henderson Hall, that includes both the Pentagon Force Protection Agency as well as Arlington County PD, or with the Navy Yard in DC that means Metro PD and US Park Police. So what happens on a military base during an active shooter is the same thing that happens in a regular ole' town: anyone with a badge and gun, grab your balls and go. Multi-agency response is not indicative that the Provost Marshal's Office isn't trained for active shooters. Practically everyone in the US with the exception of NYC goes multi-agency response for active shooters, and that includes many military bases.
Truth on the first sentence.
As for the second, my guess is this is the sort of security guard that would come to work dressed like Noah MacManus if he had no uniform regulations.
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ETA: All fun aside, let's keep in mind that we shouldn't take his actions as the norm for FPS contracted security guards. They actually have a fairly burdensome training requirement compared to most armed guards, and lets not forget that it was an FPS contracted security guard that we were all unknowingly singing the praises of a few weeks back with the Dallas federal building shooting.
Last edited by TGS; 07-11-2019 at 03:17 PM.
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So the guard's interpretation that the uniformed deputy was not allowed to carry his weapon into the IRS offices is correct because the deputy was not at the premises on official business. And the security guard was following the intent of the law when he asked the deputy to return without his weapon. But the guard blew it when he drew his weapon and accosted the deputy when he was in the act of leaving.
Last edited by farscott; 07-11-2019 at 06:26 PM.
"Other lawful purposes" seems like it would be broad enough to cover pretty much any non-criminal conduct. I am not a lawyer, but given that language, I have a hard time understanding how civilian carry permit holders are not legally allowed to carry in federal buildings. Is there a different statute that somehow makes things more restrictive without being in conflict with that one, or have the courts just interpreted the law in such a way as to make the effective outcome different than the plain language?
One of my FITP classmates was an IRS SA. At the time, since they'd had a few people ND in their hotel rooms, the official policy was to install a trigger lock on the weapon without manipulating (clearing) the weapon prior to storage. Seriously. I don't know if it has changed in the intervening years.
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