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    Quote Originally Posted by txdpd View Post
    If we could get around that thing where people start to atrophy and slowly die in space, I think that would be something worth considering. We’ve learned how to escape earth’s gravity but we haven’t been able to escape earth’s gravity.
    Well, gee, we'd better not even bother studying the problem, then, had we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by farscott View Post
    That is because USG does not pay well, and it is a PITA to apply for a position with USAJOBS. And when you get an offer, it gets revoked because the funding failed to come through. Ask me how I know.
    Sorry to hear. I had a similar issue when applying for federal contract specialist positions to come to RI. Got referred on a Coast Guard position in Newport, RI, was looking good, then the position went away after the President’s hiring freeze. I was lucky enough to get hired by the Army Contracting Command a couple month later. Keep looking and it will happen.

    One of the big problems with NASA is that a lot of cutting edge in space stuff is now being done by the commercial side, not gov. A lot of that is federally funded, but still being conducted by private companies. That’s where a lot of your smart space folks are going now. And .gov typically can’t match top pay from the private side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSP552 View Post
    Sorry to hear. I had a similar issue when applying for federal contract specialist positions to come to RI. Got referred on a Coast Guard position in Newport, RI, was looking good, then the position went away after the President’s hiring freeze. I was lucky enough to get hired by the Army Contracting Command a couple month later. Keep looking and it will happen.

    One of the big problems with NASA is that a lot of cutting edge in space stuff is now being done by the commercial side, not gov. A lot of that is federally funded, but still being conducted by private companies. That’s where a lot of your smart space folks are going now. And .gov typically can’t match top pay from the private side.
    Thanks but no worries as it all ended up working out for the best. I got promoted at my current place and am responsible for all product development, from advanced concept to sustaining once in production. I have more flexibility and no need to worry about going in and out of the gates at Redstone Arsenal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farscott View Post
    That is because USG does not pay well, and it is a PITA to apply for a position with USAJOBS. And when you get an offer, it gets revoked because the funding failed to come through. Ask me how I know.
    True story.

    I just got a job rejection for a .GOV job.

    The first email started with, "You meet all of our minimum criteria. All candidates who meet the criteria will have their information forwarded to the hiring committee."

    Followed by an email that said, "Your application materials have not been forwarded to the hiring committee."

    When I inquired as to why Email 2 contradicted Email 1 the response was, "Right, so you met all of our minimum criteria. BUT....you also exceeded all of them. We can only hire between GS-8 and GS-10 and by our assessment you're at minimum a GS-12. Sorry."

    Which I guess is...something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drang View Post
    Well, gee, we'd better not even bother studying the problem, then, had we?
    What do think they’re doing with the guinea pigs in the ISS.

    A few years ago they figured out what was causing loss of vision in astronauts on ISS. Solutions apparently are much harder to come by and there’s a good chance anyone going to Mars probably would be blind be the time they got there. I read something about Scott Kelly and how he hadn’t lost much more bone density than an astronaut on a 6 month rotation, but a year was still at the upper limits of human endurance. You put a man in superb physical condition in space for a year and he comes back a cripple with long recovery.

    It’s been/being studied and humans are an impediment to NASA’s farther reaching missions.
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    NO!!! There are Borgs out there!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevolverRob View Post
    I dunno if that makes a logistical sense. First thing that strikes me, even though the moon has no atmosphere to enter/exit, it still has gravity due to its mass.
    I don't know either. My thought is there are resources there already. A space station is just a storage dump that has to be built from scratch. The moon can, potentially, be mined for both mineral resources and energy resources. Helium-3 is supposed to be prevalent and a source of energy if we have the technology and tools to unlock it.

    Way above my abilities and intellect. I just think it's a worthwhile investment. We're probably still at the canoe level right now, maybe even lower. Nobody envisioned nuclear powered submarines when folks like Cortes were exploring but look where we ended up.
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    Yes, we should have at least one permanent base on the moon and a ring style space station or two with spin gravity by now. There are untold amounts of resources available in space and we are squandering our resources on Earth by continual war and unchecked hedonism.

    We need to get serious about exploration.

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    NASA’s Space Launch System includes the Orion capsule and the planned Gateway lunar space station. The planned crewed missions to the Moon are named Artemis.

    An original pitch for the Freedom station, back before it became ISS, was that it would open up the possibility of manufacturing in space. While far above and beyond the capabilities of ISS, a space station “shipyard” where rockets and space vessels could be assembled and launched from orbit would help against the physics of the Rocket Equation, where we have to push off the ground and through the atmosphere just to get into space. At some point, you’re just adding fuel in order to lift the fuel, and you approach asymptotic limits.

    Think about this- If we go back to the early ‘70s, NASA can’t afford to develop op the Shuttle and keep Apollo, Nixon is already trying to cut missions, and NASA’s budget is shrinking. What if, keeping the funding profile from then to now, it’s the Shuttle that gets canceled? Saturn V, having been proved out, and a Block II design locked down, goes into serial production. If it’s heavy, or goes far, it goes on Saturn V. There’s a clear path to a moon base, and to space stations. Maybe SLS and the planned commercial super-heavy launch systems will give us second chance at actually exploiting these breakthroughs.

    NASA’s budget reminds me of NRA membership, it’s much smaller than people tend to think- about 0.5% of the budget here in the 21st Century, and 4.5% in the height of Apollo. The FedGov spends more on improper Medicare payments than on NASA. As citizens, we tend to overestimate NASA’s actual budget, and some Business Insider poll indicates that people who wanted to “cut” NASA’s funding were actually tossing out numbers several times larger than the actual NASA budget.

    Why should we go into deep space? Asteroid mining! There are more resources, insane, enormous quantities of resources in asteroids that can let us develop into species that can grow wildly and fully occupy our solar system. NASA could lead the way there.
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    Should we go back? Go back where, the sound stage? We've never been to the moon!

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