Originally Posted by Matt Little
Good to see you here Matt.
Good to see you here Matt.
Thanks! Any normal year I’d be running into you at SHOT again. Things are strange...Good to see you here Matt.
I jumped on the bandwagon for a variety of reasons. My Staccato P Duo is going to be my duty gun replacing my Glock 34 Gen 5 MO/RMR. Yes, it's expensive, I'll have to admit, but really not prohibitively so compared to a quality AR.
1. Build Quality: I have been building and gunsmithing on 1911s since I was 16-17 (Chip McCormick's shop was near my house and I use to go to his shop and chat with him). I have owned 1911's from every manufacturer known to include Wilson, Nighthawk, Heinie, Morris Custom, Etc, Etc. The build quality and consistency on Stacatto's guns is as good or better than any 1911 I've owned.
2.Manufacturing process: I toured their manufacturing facility and this allowed me to see their production line to include meeting many of their gunsmiths. Make no mistake, they make a custom gun. Every one of their technicians is a specialist but every one also has the skill to pull a gun from the line if they see something out of spec. Their processes allow for detailed fitting and they are constantly improving their line to make better guns. Also, almost every process to include the nitride finishes are done in house allowing them to control QC throughout the build.
2.Very Law Enforcement Friendly Company: They have a vested interest in getting duty guns into the hands of end users. They have a LE discount, quick turn around for repairs, and even will lend you a gun if you get in an OIS.
3. My pistol is often my primary weapon: The old adage of using your pistol to fight back to your rifle is cool but not a reality of many police OISs in a patrol capacity so why not have something that is easy to shoot well (and has a mechanical safety). On SWAT your pistol often becomes your primary if you are doing tubular assaults (buses/aircraft), shooting through portholes created in walls by explosives, vehicle assaults, while doing high angle assaults/rappelling, and as a sniper when carrying a bolt gun. Most to include myself shoot a 1911 better than a Glock on demand with less "work". The Staccato makes a lot of sense in these scenarios if you are willing to put a little more work in with maintenance.
4.Its a 1911 made in Texas, by Texans: It doesn't sting as much when you know you hard earned money is going local and to good people.
5.Just good people: During my tour of Staccato I got a bunch facetime with many of their staff. All were good folks and the general "feeling" I had when walking through it were that it was a bunch of good, hard working and honest folk trying to put out a no-bs good weapon.
All and all I'm pretty stoked with mine. A few guys I work with have been running them in a duty capacity with no issues.
Great post. I've been shooting a Staccato C for about a year and a half. I've discovered it was the pistol I was waiting for.
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I'm interested to hear how these are running. It's hard to keep track of the many rolling updates to the Staccato P, but it seems like the pistol has gradually improved. I noticed @SoCalDep has observed a good number of these pistols in his department's RDS courses (reported in this thread in the Red Dot forum) and has stated that the pistols run so long as they are well lubricated. Perhaps he can comment further here. The magazines have historically been the weak link in the 2011 - are we confident yet that STI/Staccato has overcome that problem? There seems to be no question that the current magazines are much improved. Welcome thoughts.
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They are currently on Gen 3 of their magazines. Again, I admit that Glock mags are a bit more rugged but in the more recently made samples I've seen there have been zero problems with the mags or reliability. These are SWAT and duty guns that are used hard.
Stacatto is hard core about QI and fixing any issues with the guns.
My worry is that there have been so many revisions over the past couple years, all the while as being touted as "duty ready". Are they MORE duty ready after the revisions? And typically the magazine aftermarket aims to duplicate the factory reliability of magazines at a lower cost. Yet it's inverted when it comes to 2011, as Atlas, MBX, etc., all claim to improve the 2011 mag, at quite the premium.
I really want to get onto a double stack 9mm 1911, but until the gunsmiths I trust say they're a go, I'll pass. Years ago, when I asked Jim Garthwaite if he would build me a 9mm 1911, he replied, "Sure, I'll build you a HiPower". And that's what I did this week, as I made the move on a custom HiPower.
I wish I could like the above more than once. The only double stack 9mm I have that runs is my SVI chambered in 9x23. The round is long enough that it masks the issues typically seen with the short 9x19.
John Harrison explained to me almost twenty years ago that a five-inch 1911 in 9x19 was always on the ragged edge, whether it be a round too short or not enough recoil impulse. Those same issues exist with the 2011 platform exacerbated by 2011 magazine capacity and tolerance stacking.
I am very pleased that Wilson designed the EDC X9 around a proven magazine and with a four-inch slide as that is as close to a double stack 1911 as I am likely to own and shoot.
I can believe that the aftermarket mags you mentioned were improvements on pre-Stacatto STI 2011 mags.
STI/Stacatto is about 2 hours from me. about 8 years ago I was able to take a factory tour which included the magazine production area. All the mags were made by members of an extended family of Vietnamese on what were essentially hand operated presses. Even if the design was sound, the production process was not optimal in terms of consistency or quality control.
My understanding is producing good consistent magazines is a specialized and challenging task, which is why so may gun companies contract it out.
As such, the fact Stacatto's starting point for making 2011's into duty guns started with both redesigning and farming out production of magazines is very encouraging.
Like CZ's, HiPowers are just too small for my hands so I'm glad 2011's exist.
On my short list pending end of year bonus. 😎
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