Teach me about STI guns

[WobblyPossum]

The Staccato P is too large to make much headway outside of duty use.
The Staccato C has too low of a capacity for its size to be more than a niche pistol.
The DVC C is just about the perfect carry 2011 but that $3000 sticker price... yea... no.
The only way the Staccato line will go anywhere outside of specialized LE is if they integrate the Staccato upgrades into the Guardian/VIP line.

One of the articles I read about the SOG selection had a photo of the gun STI made at SOG’s request as a carry version. It was a Staccato P but it was cut down in the grip and not optic ready. It’s the last photo in this link: https://www.guns.com/news/2019/07/24...i-2011-pistols.

I’m surprised they haven’t released it to the open market. It sounds like the solution to your concerns.

[banzaijohn]

One of the articles I read about the SOG selection had a photo of the gun STI made at SOG’s request as a carry version. It was a Staccato P but it was cut down in the grip and not optic ready. It’s the last photo in this link: https://www.guns.com/news/2019/07/24/exclusive-u-s-marshals-special-operations-group-adopts-sti-2011-pistols.

I’m surprised they haven’t released it to the open market. It sounds like the solution to your concerns.

LAPD's Revolver and Athletic Club is taking pre-orders for the "Special Forces" Model which is the SOG gun without their markings.

[Arbninftry]

One of the articles I read about the SOG selection had a photo of the gun STI made at SOG’s request as a carry version. It was a Staccato P but it was cut down in the grip and not optic ready. It’s the last photo in this link: https://www.guns.com/news/2019/07/24...i-2011-pistols.

I’m surprised they haven’t released it to the open market. It sounds like the solution to your concerns.

The last picture-
The grip looks like a DVC Carry grip. This could just (almost) really be a DVC C with out the slide cutouts and a full length bottom dust cover.

[shane45]

I was considering just getting the regular staccato p and getting the "VIP/Carry" grip. That seems like a package that "might" be concealable enough to carry.

[usmc_k9_vet]

The last picture-
The grip looks like a DVC Carry grip. This could just (almost) really be a DVC C with out the slide cutouts and a full length bottom dust cover.

Isn’t the grip the same when you remove the magwell on the Staccato P?


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[El Cid]

Yes, and the issue came down to mags. Neither Para nor prior STI mags were up to snuff. The fact that they were .45s and the weight of the ammo va the strength of the springs was another issue.

HK, Glock and S&W have al made reliable double stack .45s though, particularly HK. You know why ? Magazines. HK is a magazine company. Their mags are engineered for maximum reliability rather than maximum capacity.

If making good, consistent mags was easy, Colt, HK, SIG, Beretta, S&W etc would not outsource mag production.

One of STI’s changes to try and get into the LE/GOV market is they redesigned and outsourced their 2011 magazines. Which also dropped the price. So far the new production mags seem to be living up to the hype and they are $40-45 a pop rather than $75 or more.

Speaking of mags, while some of the old, in house STI mags needed tuning to run, part of the 2011s negative reputation is based on competitors trying to cram as many rounds as possible into a mag of a certain length. As we have seen with trying to cram 8 rounds into a 7 round length 1911 mag tube, 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag is not a recipe for reliability.

Back in the 90’s when my Para was my only gun I quickly discovered it was their magazine springs that were my issue. The gun runs like a champ with Wolff springs in the mags. I finally just threw out the OEM springs and dropped in a Wolff in new mags.

[shane45]

No I dont believe it is. It's a little shorter and uses the 120mm mags I believe. Longer will fit of course but 120 is what fits flush.

[Arbninftry]

No I dont believe it is. It's a little shorter and uses the 120mm mags I believe. Longer will fit of course but 120 is what fits flush.

Isn’t the grip the same when you remove the magwell on the Staccato P?


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The DVC C comes with one 120mm and two 126mm, so that leads me to believe it is the same grip.

https://dawsonprecision.com/sti-2011-dvc-c/

[Ndbbm]

The DVC C comes with one 120mm and two 126mm, so that leads me to believe it is the same grip.

https://dawsonprecision.com/sti-2011-dvc-c/

I think he was replying to the person that asked if it was just the Staccato grip with the magazine funnel removed.

Jason

[Arbninftry]

I think he was replying to the person that asked if it was just the Staccato grip with the magazine funnel removed.

Jason

Ok yes I was too. The staccato P grip looks the same as the DVC CARRY WITHOUT THE MAG WELL. The other model in the article is a Staccato P without the mag well and is also the same



https://news.guns.com/wp-content/upl...3918854698.jpg

Both grips look the same.