Seattle: Husband and wife involved in 2017 DGU on trial

[Borderland]

She's toast.

I live near Seattle now. Used to live there in the 70's. I avoid that place like no other.

If you're looking for a confrontation with the police or socialists that would be the best place I can think of to find one around here.

Looks like they found what they were looking for.

[BehindBlueI's]

...pointed to social media exchanges between Marc Hokoana and a friend, Brandon Caley, the night before the protests in which Hokoana purported boasted that “If the snowflakes get out of hand” — using a pejorative term for liberals often used by Trump supporters — “I’m just going to wade through their ranks and start cracking skulls.”

combined with:

Later, he is heard saying, “They have to start it!” — which prosecutors say indicates the couple were using self-defense as a pretense.

as part of the prosecutor's narrative, and I have to wonder how the jury will respond.

I don't know about the law there, but here if it can be shown you were a voluntary participant or an initial aggressor, the law is not on your side for a subsequent use of force.

a person is not justified in using force if:

(1) the person is committing or is escaping after the commission of a crime;

(2) the person provokes unlawful action by another person with intent to cause bodily injury to the other person;  or

(3) the person has entered into combat with another person or is the initial aggressor unless the person withdraws from the encounter and communicates to the other person the intent to do so and the other person nevertheless continues or threatens to continue unlawful action.

[Mitch]

. This shoot sounds kosher to me but I have zero expectation of actual justice being served beyond what's already been served.

Really? It’s too early to me to convict anyone, but it sounds BAD to me. Like premeditated bad. Don’t get me wrong, the antifa jack off was in the wrong to, but two assholes don’t add up to a good shooting.


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[Joe in PNG]

What ever happened to "If you don't start nothing, there won't be nothing". Yes, because of Freedom and Stuff I could wear a "Harley Davidson SUCKS!" tshirt to the local 1% motorcycle club hangout (and drive up on a Honda)- but is it the smart thing to do?

[HCM]

In hypothesizing different facts, I was contemplating, and inviting a discussion of, the implications for ordinary, law abiding concealed carriers of escalating antifa street violence mixed with police passivity.

I understand that but that is so different from the facts here it should really be it’s own thread to avoid confusion.

There is a tendency for some conservatives to think someone who sort of shares their views can’t really be an extremist /bad guy. That is not the case.

[HCM]

OK I guess I'll play the bad guy.

At some point people get fed up and say "no more" and this can and does include political rallies. They had as much right to be there in opposition as the "upset snowflakes" did. Each of us individuals have a different point at where it becomes necessary to speak up. When the party of tolerance becomes intolerant and then resorts to violence, well, they get what they get. This shoot sounds kosher to me but I have zero expectation of actual justice being served beyond what's already been served.

But it’s not really a “political rally” in a conventional sense. Both sides in these things are going out with the intention of confronting the other side via criminal acts. In fact many of those participating in this don’t really care about the politics, they are in it for the violence.

[Pacioli]

There is a tendency for some conservatives to think someone who sort of shares their views can’t really be an extremist /bad guy. That is not the case.

This should be a permanent sticky post.

[Gray01]

I have, more than once, been told to "get a life". I usually do not respond except internally.

We live a quiet, peaceful, what some might call a boring life. We do not frequent cities, restaurants, theaters, social gatherings, rallies, assemblies, events, or much of anything else. We rarely go to a store except for the occasional things (milk, eggs, etc) that are less than practical to buy online.

I find it amusing that there are people who think that they have a right to proceed unmolested into dangerous environments, and that their actions will remain void of consequences.

[UNK]

This looks like Zimmerman all over again. Two (well, 3 this time) people in the same place at the same time making bad decisions.


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Whenever I hear someone make that type of comment about Zimmerman I always post this video to see if it jives with their perspective.
http://www77.realclearpolitics.com/v...zimmerman.html

[LittleLebowski]

No. Don’t change the facts. The facts are what they are. Your hypothetical is irrelevant to this situation. These are no babes in the woods that accidentally stumbled into a protest. These people knowingly and intentionally attended this event. Their own prior statements about violence aside, these events are well known to be shitshows that devolve into street violence. The people who attend them on both sides do so with the intention of fighting each other in the streets.

That said the failures by local authorities in Seattle and Portland to let the police do their jobs is inexcusable.

BTW - you have your history wrong. The Brownshirts were Nazis. The Antifa were the communists the brownshirts fought in the streets. Like the left and right groups fighting in the streets today there are no “good guys” involved regardless of their ideology.

I personally know some very good people that have fought the Antifa.