I'm not even sure I could pull that off without a reload. Now I must try. Who has an AIWB holster for a Match Champion or 686?
If you know the way broadly you will see it in everything." - Miyamoto Musashi
I concur that chasing it with equipment defeats the purpose of the drill.
If I just wanted to break the time record, a 627 V-Comp with .38 Short Colts, a red dot, and "concealed" with a starched IDPA vest would probably allow me to obliterate the drill. But that's why I was thinking a M19 K-Comp (a gun I'd actually carry), from an appendix holster, using speed loaders as opposed to moonclips, and firing at least a minor power-level load (as opposed to a Cowboy load or target load).
For me, getting a sub-5 F.A.S.T is: 1) A goal to work towards. 2) Requires me to rebuild the fundamental skills I have lost from not regularly shooting DA revolvers over the past 5-6 years 3) Fun. 4) I previously tried, but couldn't get there. It's an attainable goal, so I want the challenge of trying to attain it.
If I were going to run a moonclipped gun to try this, I'd get funky, a 9mm LCR. Again, a gun I would actually carry. I could use moonclips speeding up the reload, but I'd gain the challenge of making the hits with a 2" snub weighing <20 ounces, instead of a 35 ounce 3" steel gun.
I think that if you're wanting optimum practical revolver skill, you'd be well served to work on performing well on Hackathorn's Wheelgun Glory. It tests the spectrum of revolver skills.
Hackathorn Wheelgun Glory
(from Ken Hackathorn 07/24/2017)
Target: IDPA with 4 head circle zone
Score: Down one second per point dropped. 100 seconds pass/fail; 85 seconds very good.
All starts from the holster, preferably concealed or duty rig
Stage I Seven Yards: Failure Drill freestyle Record time; Repeat strong hand only Record time 6 shots per drill/6 shots cumulative
Stage II Five Yards: Hackathorn Head Shot Drill three target array; draw and fire one shot to each head going left to right, right to left and center/each side. Record times for each run. 9/15
Stage III 10 yards: Tri-Presidente Drill: three target array; shooter faces up range 180 degrees. On signal turn and draw and fire three shots to each body (reload required) and then one shot to each head. Record time. 12/27
Stage IV 15 yards: Draw and fire six shots on one target. Record time 6/33
Stage V 15 yards: Draw and fire three shots freestyle, then switch to support side freestyle and fire three more shots. Record time. 6/39
Stage VI 20 yards: Draw and fire two rounds and record time. Repeat twice for total of six rounds fired. 6/45
Stage VII Wizard Drill Three yards: SHO head shot. Record time.
Five yards: Freestyle head shot. Record time.
Seven yards: Freestyle head shot. Record time.
10 yards: Freestyle pair to body. Record time.
5/50
Last edited by Wayne Dobbs; 07-03-2019 at 01:48 PM.
Regional Government Sales Manager for Aimpoint, Inc. USA
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Since it was mentioned before. FAST isnt really a drill we want to use for pocket guns. Sure run it once in awhile, but with a J-frame a 5x5x5x5 and/or Hackathorn Wizard are go to drills for me with a J-frame. If you want to make it harder do dot torture with a J-frame. Or do it up one better and make it a 3x5x5x5 where the target is a 3 circle or the headbox of an IDPA or USPSA Metric target.
You could also try some of Claude Werners mouse gun drills. Since the J is such a limited capacity weapon, I tend to think about it as needing to solve problems efficiently. Head shots are pretty efficient in general.
5 seconds is going to be pretty tight. I've done it in under 7 seconds but not often with all good hits.