The Shit Storm that is the NRA Today & How We Got Here

[GardoneVT]

My understanding is that the 2018 elections is the first time the NRA was outspent in an election.

Years ago, the NRA published the financial practices of a then-major player on the anti-gun side. Less than 10% of their funds were spent actually promoting their cause. Might have been 4%?

The idea that a pro-gun group can’t go head to head with the anti-gun groups is disproven by history since the NRA first got involved in gun rights in the 1970’s.

We just need the funds spent responsibly.



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Let’s tour the history of Federal gun laws, shall we?

Since 1970, we’ve seen the following Federal gun control laws enacted;

1986 FOPA/Hughes Amendment. A Federal statute protecting safe passage with guns that is frequently ignored by multiple states: except the section which bans registered machine guns. That part IS enforced.

1986 Undetectable Firearms Act- mandates 3.7 oz of metal content in firearms. So much for lightweight firearms innovation.

Gun Free School Zones Act (1990). Better known as the “lawfully armed parent criminalization Act”.

Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (1993) -Established Federal background checks at the point of retail sale.


Federal AWB. Enacted in 1994 and repealed in 2004.

That’s one victory for three losses. Is this the best use of $36 million per year?

Meanwhile state level advocacy groups have collectively established nearly de-facto nationwide CCW, repealed and killed at the initiative level multiple local AWBs and other statutes, and have argued before multiple courts for local legal victories in recognition of the RKBA. I submit we don’t need a full time national organization and the problems it engenders.

[Singlestack Wonder]

The way it works is that you have a solid reason to try and take a shit on someone's reputation before you actually do it.

You don't get to just make an assertion absent any useful evidence and then demand that others prove you wrong.

Julie was at Todd's memorial service.

You weren't.

I'll stick with his judgment on this one.

Whether someone attended Todd's Memorial or not has no relevance on the fact that she and others bailed on their bod positions and folks are asking why they didn't stay and fight for the good of the organization.

Any and all bod members who bailed owe the nra membership an explanation since it was the membership who voted them in. If the explanations are not forthcoming, the public has to take the situation at face value.

Emotional comments without facts are just hyperbole.

[BehindBlueI's]

Minor quibble: The Clinton AWB wasn't repealed. It had a 10 year sunset clause and expired.

[TCinVA]

Whether someone attended Todd's Memorial or not has no relevance on the fact that she and others bailed on their bod positions and folks are asking why they didn't stay and fight for the good of the organization.

Any and all bod members who bailed owe the nra membership an explanation since it was the membership who voted them in. If the explanations are not forthcoming, the public has to take the situation at face value.

Emotional comments without facts are just hyperbole.

Comments calling her character into question without even a shred of evidence to back it are bullshit.

You started by making bullshit claims. Don't get your fucking pride wounded because people who have personal knowledge of the person you so casually maligned call you out for it, sport.

You have absolutely no idea what Julie did for the good of the organization, nor the reasons why she decided to resign from the BOD. You have no idea what her personal circumstances are, what is going on with her parents, her husband, her children, or her in-laws. And yet despite all of that you decided to fucking Carnac about what she did on the BOD and then to try and move the goal posts by claiming her explanation for leaving doesn't meet your criteria.

Stop talking out your ass.

Julie, believe it or not, has done quite a bit for this board. And quite a bit for the guy who, along with myself and a couple of others, founded it. She was essentially family to him and by extension she is essentially family to others. You may not have always seen it, but that you are unaware of it doesn't mean it didn't happen...and that applies all around. At the very least on the forum Todd founded, someone who he regarded so highly ought to at least be entitled to the benefit of the fucking doubt.

There's a lot of things that have happened at the NRA. Some good. Some bad. There's a lot of people involved. Some of them good. Some of them bad. There's a lot that good people have tried to do to improve the situation. Some of it visible. Some of it not as visible. Some of it wise, some of it ill advised.

And believe it or not, sport, lots of the good people in the organization actually read this forum and are reading this thread. And the last thing they need is somebody who doesn't even have a remotely informed view of what is actually transpiring taking a steaming dump all over them out of his ignorance.

So knock it the fuck off.

[NEPAKevin]

Emotional comments without facts are just hyperbole.

Besides the notion that some of the NRA BoD members quit an obviously troubled organization with out explanation, what facts do you have to justify your hyperbole? For someone like Julie G. who was personally known and well regarded by Todd as well as many other long time members of this forum and the shooting community in general, I would certainly give the benefit of the doubt that she has good reasons for her choice and likely would rather not have her good reputation sullied by association with the alleged and likely misconduct of WLP and his confederates.

[GardoneVT]

Whether someone attended Todd's Memorial or not has no relevance on the fact that she and others bailed on their bod positions and folks are asking why they didn't stay and fight for the good of the organization.

Any and all bod members who bailed owe the nra membership an explanation since it was the membership who voted them in. If the explanations are not forthcoming, the public has to take the situation at face value.

Emotional comments without facts are just hyperbole.

There is not a shred of publicly available evidence to date implicating any specific NRA board member in misconduct or wrongdoing, including Julie Golob. All available information points to executive mismanagement of NRA resources and accounting irregularities thereof.

It is worth pointing out the $70,000 payment for consulting on the mansion was duly flagged by the NRAs internal audit team and forwarded to the organizations audit committee. Wayne LaPierres conduct is NOT reflective of the character of the entire organization ,any more then Bernie Madoffs misconduct implicates every one of the former employees of his fraudulent brokerage firm. This point should be made abundantly clear when discussing the NRAs status.


Insofar as equating resigning from a mismanaged organization under investigation for accounting irregularities as “cowardice”, the concept is so absurd as to defy objective comprehension. Should we call all ex employees of Enron as being weak for not “fighting for the organization”?

[Singlestack Wonder]

Comments calling her character into question without even a shred of evidence to back it are bullshit.

You started by making bullshit claims. Don't get your fucking pride wounded because people who have personal knowledge of the person you so casually maligned call you out for it, sport.

You have absolutely no idea what Julie did for the good of the organization, nor the reasons why she decided to resign from the BOD. You have no idea what her personal circumstances are, what is going on with her parents, her husband, her children, or her in-laws. And yet despite all of that you decided to fucking Carnac about what she did on the BOD and then to try and move the goal posts by claiming her explanation for leaving doesn't meet your criteria.

Stop talking out your ass.

Julie, believe it or not, has done quite a bit for this board. And quite a bit for the guy who, along with myself and a couple of others, founded it. She was essentially family to him and by extension she is essentially family to others. You may not have always seen it, but that you are unaware of it doesn't mean it didn't happen...and that applies all around. At the very least on the forum Todd founded, someone who he regarded so highly ought to at least be entitled to the benefit of the fucking doubt.

There's a lot of things that have happened at the NRA. Some good. Some bad. There's a lot of people involved. Some of them good. Some of them bad. There's a lot that good people have tried to do to improve the situation. Some of it visible. Some of it not as visible. Some of it wise, some of it ill advised.

And believe it or not, sport, lots of the good people in the organization actually read this forum and are reading this thread. And the last thing they need is somebody who doesn't even have a remotely informed view of what is actually transpiring taking a steaming dump all over them out of his ignorance.

So knock it the fuck off.

I as many others know exactly what has happened and what is going on at the nra, no ignorance whatsoever. Corruption, bod members bailing to cover their collective asses, etc.

Based on your comments, the community should not make any comments about wlp, marion hammer, and others at the nra due to "ignorance"....

Whatever.......

[jetfire]

Let’s tour the history of Federal gun laws, shall we?

Since 1970, we’ve seen the following Federal gun control laws enacted;

1986 FOPA/Hughes Amendment. A Federal statute protecting safe passage with guns that is frequently ignored by multiple states: except the section which bans registered machine guns. That part IS enforced.

1986 Undetectable Firearms Act- mandates 3.7 oz of metal content in firearms. So much for lightweight firearms innovation.

Gun Free School Zones Act (1990). Better known as the “lawfully armed parent criminalization Act”.

Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (1993) -Established Federal background checks at the point of retail sale.


Federal AWB. Enacted in 1994 and repealed in 2004.

That’s one victory for three losses. Is this the best use of $36 million per year?

Meanwhile state level advocacy groups have collectively established nearly de-facto nationwide CCW, repealed and killed at the initiative level multiple local AWBs and other statutes, and have argued before multiple courts for local legal victories in recognition of the RKBA. I submit we don’t need a full time national organization and the problems it engenders.

If you have ever driven across state lines with a firearm and not been arrested, you have FOPA to thank. FOPA was, and remains, a huge win on the balance. The poison pill of the Hughes Amendment was inserted to derail FOPA, but the pro-gun side decided, correctly, that the benefits of FOPA outweighed the negatives of the Hughes Amendment.

[Drang]

1986 FOPA/Hughes Amendment. A Federal statute protecting safe passage with guns that is frequently ignored by multiple states: except the section which bans registered machine guns. That part IS enforced.

If you have ever driven across state lines with a firearm and not been arrested, you have FOPA to thank. FOPA was, and remains, a huge win on the balance. The poison pill of the Hughes Amendment was inserted to derail FOPA, but the pro-gun side decided, correctly, that the benefits of FOPA outweighed the negatives of the Hughes Amendment.

Serious question: What states besides New York/Jersey regularly violate FOPA? Or, to be more precise, what entities besides the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey regularly violate FOPA?

[GardoneVT]

If you have ever driven across state lines with a firearm and not been arrested, you have FOPA to thank. FOPA was, and remains, a huge win on the balance. The poison pill of the Hughes Amendment was inserted to derail FOPA, but the pro-gun side decided, correctly, that the benefits of FOPA outweighed the negatives of the Hughes Amendment.

Tell that to NY/NJ gun owners. Flying across those territories as a non resident gun owner remains -even today- a risky proposition. Get diverted to those states and attempt to resume your trip with lawfully checked guns, you’re gonna be taking a ride. Consult Revell vs NY/NJPA for further details.