2 LEOSA Articles

[Hambo]

Thank you for your service. Now beat it.

Pretty much. Because I had been a contract negotiator the city administration could barely contain their joy and relief when I left. The directors of public safety have mostly been retired cops with a lot of scores to settle. I have no idea what the current policy is on retired creds, but if it's not a no-go they would make it as difficult as possible to obtain. I am also certain that they would fuck every single retiree if that's what it would take to fuck someone they don't like.

[mark7]

I have not heard of anyone encountering problems with getting a retired ID in PA, but PA law specifies "shall provide." Would make an interesting case should an agency refuse.

RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT IDENTIFICATION ACT

Act of Dec. 13, 2005, P.L. 432, No. 79 Cl. 53

AN ACT

Providing for the issuance of identification cards for retired law
enforcement officers; and providing for the powers and duties of
law enforcement agencies and the Municipal Police Officers'
Education and Training Commission.

Section 4. Retired law enforcement identification card.
(a) General rule.--Subject to the payment of the fee, if any,
imposed under subsection (c):
(1) A law enforcement agency shall provide each officer,
upon retirement, with a retired law enforcement identification
card.
(2) At any time after an officer retires, upon request of
the officer, a law enforcement agency shall provide the retired
law enforcement officer with a retired law enforcement
identification card.

(b) Contents.--Identification cards shall be uniform throughout
this Commonwealth and on a form prescribed by the commission. The
identification card shall bear the following:
(1) The photograph of the retired law enforcement officer.
(2) The name, address, date of birth, race, sex, height,
weight, color of hair, color of eyes and signature of the retired
law enforcement officer.
(3) The signature of the law enforcement officer issuing
the identification card.
(4) The name, telephone number and address of the law
enforcement agency issuing the card.
(5) Any other information designated by the commission.
(c) Fees.--A law enforcement agency may charge a reasonable fee,
not to exceed $15, for each identification card.
Section 5. Firearm training and qualification card.
(a) General rule.--A retired law enforcement officer shall be
eligible for a qualification card if the law enforcement officer
either:
(1) resides in this Commonwealth; or
(2) retired from a law enforcement agency of this
Commonwealth or any political subdivision thereof.

[blues]

^^^Good for those employed by the state or subdivisions, but provides no assistance to the federal side.

[jetfire]

NBPD had determined that Burban did not separate from the agency in good standing.

I actually googled this, because knowledge is power. Turns out that Burban was arrested in 2011 on felony charges and temporarily suspended from her agency. This was available with a casual google search, so I didn't go further to see if her separation from her agency was on something other than good terms, but it wouldn't surprise me.

As usual, there is more to a story than meets the eye.

[CWM11B]

I actually googled this, because knowledge is power. Turns out that Burban was arrested in 2011 on felony charges and temporarily suspended from her agency. This was available with a casual google search, so I didn't go further to see if her separation from her agency was on something other than good terms, but it wouldn't surprise me.

As usual, there is more to a story than meets the eye.

No doubt. I thought it odd an officer suing over it though. Most I know just get a CCH here if their agency doesn't do LEOSA quals. NC makes it an unnecessary PITA in my opinion.

[blues]

No doubt. I thought it odd an officer suing over it though. Most I know just get a CCH here if their agency doesn't do LEOSA quals. NC makes it an unnecessary PITA in my opinion.

Unless you intend or have to travel to one of those states that recognizes no other state's license. Then, it's worth the aggro and $25 for the renewal of the DOJ certification, imho.

[LSP552]

I’m glad that LSP issues retired creds and is very flexible about annual qualifications. I wouldn’t have many local options up here in RI. I just knock out a qual when I fly back to visit.

[CWM11B]

It is my understanding you must qualify in the state you reside in. A bunch of guys local to me found out the hard way according to a colleague of mine.

[TGS]

It is my understanding you must qualify in the state you reside in. A bunch of guys local to me found out the hard way according to a colleague of mine.

That's just one of the options:

during the most recent 12-month period, has met, at the expense of the individual, the standards for qualification in firearms training for active law enforcement officers, as determined by the former agency of the individual, the State in which the individual resides or, if the State has not established such standards, either a law enforcement agency within the State in which the individual resides or the standards used by a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State;

[CWM11B]

I wish everyone would get on board with that. That was my initial understanding, but have been told my state doesn't see it that way. I've heard so many damned interpretations of it its not funny. It seems every state has a different take on it. Drives me up the wall.