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    Trying to Touch the Magic: 4TM

    A few weeks ago there was a thread about a Recoil web article concerning Airborne SWAT. It was a pretty interesting thread (well, the topic was at least) and I drafted a response. Unfortunately, the thread de-railed and was closed before I could post.

    Around the same time as that thread, @ASH556 started a thread where I posted something that started a great conversation between myself and a few other P-F members.

    These two threads motivated me to do this post because someone needs to say it – again probably – and try to help the general consciousness of the training world. I hope this post hits some people hard – if they do an honest self-evaluation – and that it leads to positive changes for them.

    So, let’s talk about “Trying to Touch the Magic” or “4TM” for short.

    4TM is a concept best described as people doing whatever they can to touch the magic of whatever they see as magical. Usually, the “whatever they can do” = easiest path that maximizes the mental and physical obfuscation of the 4TMers reality both to themselves and others. Often, “whatever they can do” is superficial and paid for with money versus investment of other resources, but there are some exceptions to this generalization.

    4TM involves the apotheosis of an individual, organization, business, and/or technique to the point no differing thought is tolerated – or even entertained in the good-faith interest of continuing education – regardless of facts, knowledge, and experience of the person or organization proffering the differing information.

    4TMers never really achieve (or touch) the thing (or magic) they want – at least not completely – which is why it’s called “Trying to Touch the Magic” and not “Touching the Magic.” 4TMers know they cannot be the magic, but want you and everyone else to believe they are. Confronting a suspected 4TMer with hard questions and truth – even if directed at their brand of magic and not them – is a pretty good way to ferret them out. You’ll know if their individual or org is full 4TM because they will get angry and emotionally defend factually indefensible positions in support of their ego. They will do whatever they can to maintain the façade and prolong the fantasy.

    Many people who are 4TM congregate together. These individuals usually have fixed mindsets and are all-to-eager to muddy the waters or blur the lines of who they really are and what they really do. This is most obvious in the LE/MIL world, but there are civilians out there who do the same especially if they make their living in the training industry.

    4TMers create a cult of personality within the training world regardless of whether they are working in concert or not. 4TMers create a hive-mind around whatever brand of magic they are after. And it is possible for multiple 4TMers to exist and chase multiple areas simultaneously. For example: competition (gamer) shooters vs. self-defense/”tactical” (timmy) shooters; this instructor vs. that instructor; Civilian vs. MIL vs. LE instructor; this drill vs that drill; this qual vs. that qual; 9mm vs. 45; handheld light vs WML; tritium sights vs. FO/non-night sights; this training camp vs. that training camp; etc.

    4TM accurately describes those doing silly things they think are serious things which lead them down dangerous roads they are ill-equipped to safely traverse. When told this they lash out and are unwilling to consider a divergent view point because of ego, emotional investment, cognitive dissonance or a combination thereof. Mental agility is not always the 4TMer's strength.

    4TM is almost a form of Dunning-Kruger Effect, but it is contagious and induces cult-like behavior from the infected. It’s so insidious people who don’t have it can be convinced they need it in order to better themselves.

    If you doubt 4TM is a real issue just take a minute to look around the training industry/world through the prism of social media. While you’re looking you’ll probably get some ads that pop up. Entire businesses are built and rely upon 4TM to survive and thrive. FYI: it isn’t just the “multicam plate carrier camp kids” that I’m talking about nor are they the only people 4TMing it out there.

    To level up, shooters can't accept or discard something simply because of who is presenting the information. Deriding something before considering the information at hand simply because of who is presenting it is no less ignorant than accepting information without question because of who is presenting it.

    Within reason, the who providing information should not matter, but the who can provide some context and should further assist the consumer of knowledge in forming pertinent questions.

    If someone is demonstrably incompetent to provide information (or even an educated opinion) the who is obviously important, but it should not be the single criteria for evaluating the veracity of the information presented. Rather, the who can be a useful discriminator in a personal decision matrix.

    When I say the who should matter less than the what I say so with the implied understanding the individual deciding to accept, adapt, or discard the information offered must utilize some intellectual agility and avoid the easy (read: lazy) way out.

    Instead of immediately accepting or dismissing the information because the person who gave it wears multicam, a sponsored shooter jersey, or a blue-line American flag patch maybe look at the information with an open mind, ask hard questions (of yourself included), and maybe (in the case of shooting drills, training, etc.) you try it at your next range session before making decisions or providing opinions which are prematurely formed and foolishly shared.

    The major wrinkle in this “4TM” disorder is best summarized by Mike Pannone who has said: “The magic is there is no magic.”

    I know Mike was talking about shooting performance, but it is applicable to a lot of other cool stuff in life as well.

    The point to all of this post: too much 4TM in the training world and not enough people/groups are trying to reach their full potential - either as an individual or organization - the right way vs chasing magical totems, personas, rituals, or mantras they just can’t quite seem to touch.
    Last edited by Clark Jackson; 06-23-2019 at 11:20 PM.
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    As a guy with personal interest in two gun shops and multiple friends trying to make a living in the gun and gear world.... I need you to do your part to keep "fantasy band campism" alive and well as we all got's extra inventory to sell....

    There is truth there though, but thats no fun....

    Always remember.... The gun and gear industry is a industry, same as any other and it really wants to sell you more stuff. Just like Walmart does.

    As I recall Pat Rogers was fond of calling it " classtumes" when dudes showed up in full multicam regalia for a basic pistol or carbine course...

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    The EDC kit industry would go belly up if avoiding dangerous/stupid places and dangerous/stupid people was the normative practice.

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    Bravo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark Jackson View Post
    A few weeks ago there was a thread about a Recoil web article concerning Airborne SWAT. It was a pretty interesting thread (well, the topic was at least) and I drafted a response. Unfortunately, the thread de-railed and was closed before I could post.

    Around the same time as that thread, @ASH556 started a thread where I posted something that started a great conversation between myself and a few other P-F members.

    These two threads motivated me to do this post because someone needs to say it – again probably – and try to help the general consciousness of the training world. I hope this post hits some people hard – if they do an honest self-evaluation – and that it leads to positive changes for them.

    So, let’s talk about “Trying to Touch the Magic” or “4TM” for short.

    4TM is a concept best described as people doing whatever they can to touch the magic of whatever they see as magical. Usually, the “whatever they can do” = easiest path that maximizes the mental and physical obfuscation of the 4TMers reality both to themselves and others. Often, “whatever they can do” is superficial and paid for with money versus investment of other resources, but there are some exceptions to this generalization.

    4TM involves the apotheosis of an individual, organization, business, and/or technique to the point no differing thought is tolerated – or even entertained in the good-faith interest of continuing education – regardless of facts, knowledge, and experience of the person or organization proffering the differing information.

    4TMers never really achieve (or touch) the thing (or magic) they want – at least not completely – which is why it’s called “Trying to Touch the Magic” and not “Touching the Magic.” 4TMers know they cannot be the magic, but want you and everyone else to believe they are. Confronting a suspected 4TMer with hard questions and truth – even if directed at their brand of magic and not them – is a pretty good way to ferret them out. You’ll know if their individual or org is full 4TM because they will get angry and emotionally defend factually indefensible positions in support of their ego. They will do whatever they can to maintain the façade and prolong the fantasy.

    Many people who are 4TM congregate together. These individuals usually have fixed mindsets and are all-to-eager to muddy the waters or blur the lines of who they really are and what they really do. This is most obvious in the LE/MIL world, but there are civilians out there who do the same especially if they make their living in the training industry.

    4TMers create a cult of personality within the training world regardless of whether they are working in concert or not. 4TMers create a hive-mind around whatever brand of magic they are after. And it is possible for multiple 4TMers to exist and chase multiple areas simultaneously. For example: competition (gamer) shooters vs. self-defense/”tactical” (timmy) shooters; this instructor vs. that instructor; Civilian vs. MIL vs. LE instructor; this drill vs that drill; this qual vs. that qual; 9mm vs. 45; handheld light vs WML; tritium sights vs. FO/non-night sights; this training camp vs. that training camp; etc.

    4TM accurately describes those doing silly things they think are serious things which lead them down dangerous roads they are ill-equipped to safely traverse. When told this they lash out and are unwilling to consider a divergent view point because of ego, emotional investment, cognitive dissonance or a combination thereof. Mental agility is not always the 4TMer's strength.

    4TM is almost a form of Dunning-Kruger Effect, but it is contagious and induces cult-like behavior from the infected. It’s so insidious people who don’t have it can be convinced they need it in order to better themselves.

    If you doubt 4TM is a real issue just take a minute to look around the training industry/world through the prism of social media. While you’re looking you’ll probably get some ads that pop up. Entire businesses are built and rely upon 4TM to survive and thrive. FYI: it isn’t just the “multicam plate carrier camp kids” that I’m talking about nor are they the only people 4TMing it out there.

    To level up, shooters can't accept or discard something simply because of who is presenting the information. Deriding something before considering the information at hand simply because of who is presenting it is no less ignorant than accepting information without question because of who is presenting it.

    Within reason, the who providing information should not matter, but the who can provide some context and should further assist the consumer of knowledge in forming pertinent questions.

    If someone is demonstrably incompetent to provide information (or even an educated opinion) the who is obviously important, but it should not be the single criteria for evaluating the veracity of the information presented. Rather, the who can be a useful discriminator in a personal decision matrix.

    When I say the who should matter less than the what I say so with the implied understanding the individual deciding to accept, adapt, or discard the information offered must utilize some intellectual agility and avoid the easy (read: lazy) way out.

    Instead of immediately accepting or dismissing the information because the person who gave it wears multicam, a sponsored shooter jersey, or a blue-line American flag patch maybe look at the information with an open mind, ask hard questions (of yourself included), and maybe (in the case of shooting drills, training, etc.) you try it at your next range session before making decisions or providing opinions which are prematurely formed and foolishly shared.

    The major wrinkle in this “4TM” disorder is best summarized by Mike Pannone who has said: “The magic is there is no magic.”

    I know Mike was talking about shooting performance, but it is applicable to a lot of other cool stuff in life as well.

    The point to all of this post: too much 4TM in the training world and not enough people/groups are trying to reach their full potential - either as an individual or organization - the right way vs chasing magical totems, personas, rituals, or mantras they just can’t quite seem to touch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark Jackson View Post
    A few weeks ago...


    Seriously, probably a good point, but I need the two sentence summary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hambo View Post


    Seriously, probably a good point, but I need the two sentence summary.
    4TM = Self-Delusion of talent/skill and efforts to convince others that you possess said talent/skill.

    Unfortunately like most pop-psychology terms this one conflates the conmen who are running the show and those who follow.

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    Great post, @Clark Jackson. (And really well written too). I'm glad you expanded on our off-line discussion and started this thread. 4TM is a deep rabbit hole, and it's possible to get trapped down there.

    Drills and classes can come represent merit associated with the people who design or teach them. Training with an ex-SEAL, ex-Unit, or other operator-type dude makes people feel badass. I know because I've done plenty of that, and my current martial arts instructor is that kind of guy. I'm covered in training-knife-tip bruises once again today, and it feels great. But, I always try to remember: the most important thing is what I learn, not who I train with.

    Similarly, shooting drills can come to have special status because of the people who designed them. This is both a good and a not-so-good thing. The good part is some smart people with lots of real-world experience designed the drill. But, if it becomes like a martial arts kata that makes people feel like they've achieved mastery when they achieve a certain score... that's not so good.

    I hope some of our local magicians (SMEs) will comment here about how to get the most out of training with them, and how to avoid a one-way trip down the 4TM rabbit hole.
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    In the very early 80's I was shooting at a large state range where l.e. persons from various agencies were practicing prior to qualifying. Several had semi autos. I was shooting two Sig 220's, both with euro style mag heel releases. Several commented on my choice of obsolete equipment. With immense glee and no mercy, I pointed out that several of them were trying to shoot but could not because their defective button mag releases were allowing their magazines to drop from their weapons without activation. Were I to appear at a training class today, I would hear the same comment.
    For my purposes, I prefer the heel release yet my choice would inflame many present.

    Often dictated doctrine within groups has a basis in a set of narrow assumptions even though they may not be stated. To an extent I see this phenomenon in action on gun forums. Lurk on Kel Tec, Hi-Point, or Taurus fora if you wish to see such. On reputable fora, disagreeing with subject matter experts can raise ire. Whenever one member has greater status than others within a group, pecking order psychology can sometimes be observed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willie View Post
    In the very early 80's I was shooting at a large state range where l.e. persons from various agencies were practicing prior to qualifying. Several had semi autos. I was shooting two Sig 220's, both with euro style mag heel releases. Several commented on my choice of obsolete equipment. With immense glee and no mercy, I pointed out that several of them were trying to shoot but could not because their defective button mag releases were allowing their magazines to drop from their weapons without activation. Were I to appear at a training class today, I would hear the same comment.
    For my purposes, I prefer the heel release yet my choice would inflame many present.

    Often dictated doctrine within groups has a basis in a set of narrow assumptions even though they may not be stated. To an extent I see this phenomenon in action on gun forums. Lurk on Kel Tec, Hi-Point, or Taurus fora if you wish to see such. On reputable fora, disagreeing with subject matter experts can raise ire. Whenever one member has greater status than others within a group, pecking order psychology can sometimes be observed.
    You don't need to go to other forums to see it. You can see it right here.
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