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Thread: Interesting Case - Woman Charged for Turning Firearms Over to Police

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    He was in jail and had no access to the firearms. The proper method for handling this concern would have been for her to seek the legal remedy, and if the firearms were to be seized have the police do it with a proper court order. This stuff varies state by state, here in NC she could have gotten a protection order immediately. A former team mate of mine is on the Lakeland PD, maybe I'll ping him for some info,but my instinct is the Lakeland PD did the proper thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNM1136 View Post
    Yup.

    An Emergency Restraining Order would have been just the ticket, and barring that a Temporary Restraining Order, or even her speaking with the prosecutor before the settings of Conditions of Release would have been three options I am aware of to legally accomplish the same goal. In my state we would have Aggravated Burglary, and Larceny of a Firearm, two second degree felonies, nine years each.

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    That's what he gets for not securing his firearms in a safe. :-0

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    This isn't going anywhere in court, probably either of their cases at this point, especially not hers. The state would have to put the complainant on the stand, and they'll be fair game to the defense. As a victim of a crime he's not going to get on the stand and say that she didn't have permission to enter his apartment, and then on cross plead the fifth when questioned about precipitating events. I suppose the state could grant him immunity, stranger things have happened in criminal cases. If her goal was to keep him from having guns, all she accomplished was getting him off the hook for a criminal conviction that would have accomplished that.

    I imagine this is just the police letting them know, that if they are going to involve the police in their civil matter, the police are perfectly capable of making it clear that will make them regret that decision. If they can't act like grown ups, the children will be put in time out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNM1136 View Post
    Yup.

    An Emergency Restraining Order would have been just the ticket, and barring that a Temporary Restraining Order, or even her speaking with the prosecutor before the settings of Conditions of Release would have been three options I am aware of to legally accomplish the same goal. In my state we would have Aggravated Burglary, and Larceny of a Firearm, two second degree felonies, nine years each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWM11B View Post
    He was in jail and had no access to the firearms. The proper method for handling this concern would have been for her to seek the legal remedy, and if the firearms were to be seized have the police do it with a proper court order. This stuff varies state by state, here in NC she could have gotten a protection order immediately. A former team mate of mine is on the Lakeland PD, maybe I'll ping him for some info,but my instinct is the Lakeland PD did the proper thing.
    She had a restraining order taken out against him and a judge had ordered that he surrender his firearms to law enforcement according to multiple reports. He was apparently unwilling or unable (because he was in jail) to comply with the court order.
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    We have similar issues here: the court sets such conditions and fails enforce them, or have the appropriate agency handle things.


    I have a guy on a burglary case that has failed to appear three times in the last 8 months. His conditions of release say that he needs to stay in touch with his public defender, and keep the court up to date on his current address. He fails to do so, and instead of punishing him for failure to comply with his conditions of release the prosecution and defense agree that due to his non compliance with the court order there is no way to be sure he had notice.of the hearing. So he gets a "book and release" warrant, which means be gets arrested, processed, and gets released immediately without posting a bond.

    If I fail to show up once, charges are dismissed, and we are on our forth setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    She had a restraining order taken out against him and a judge had ordered that he surrender his firearms to law enforcement according to multiple reports. He was apparently unwilling or unable (because he was in jail) to comply with the court order.
    Still no excuse for her behavior. In fact, worse than no excuse as this could have been handled by the proper authorities. Crazy gonna crazy.
    Last edited by HCM; 06-24-2019 at 12:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    She had a restraining order taken out against him and a judge had ordered that he surrender his firearms to law enforcement according to multiple reports. He was apparently unwilling or unable (because he was in jail) to comply with the court order.
    I caught that. A separate order/search warrant for the cops to get them if he was unable to or refused. Been there, done that. She took the law into her own hands, and this is the consequence. FWIW, she probably would have only faced misdemeanor B&E here, due to the elements of the charges.

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    If they are still married I don't think it would fly as a Burglary by my state's law. I also suspect a local jury wouldn't buy a burglary charge even if the prosecutor was on board, even if the husband cooperated. Which I doubt. At best you might get a Residential Entry, but even that is pretty damned iffy.

    Personally, I'd have taken the guns to property, done a report, and let the prosecutor sort it out. She's not likely to offend against anyone else and there's no ongoing emergency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's View Post
    If they are still married I don't think it would fly as a Burglary by my state's law. I also suspect a local jury wouldn't buy a burglary charge even if the prosecutor was on board, even if the husband cooperated. Which I doubt. At best you might get a Residential Entry, but even that is pretty damned iffy.

    Personally, I'd have taken the guns to property, done a report, and let the prosecutor sort it out. She's not likely to offend against anyone else and there's no ongoing emergency.
    I starting to doubt it’s going to fly in FL. There are now other FL State’s Attorneys from neighboring jurisdictions speaking out against the arrest. Making matters worse for the police, the social media mob is organizing against the arresting officer and police chief while high profile attorneys are crawling out of the woodwork to defend her pro bono. I’ll stand by my original claim that a month from now everyone (wife, husband, police, etc.) will wish that they had handled this differently.
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