Mueller rides off into the sunset

[GardoneVT]

I don't see how voting Trump out of office will change anything. The problem is congress....

Actually, the problem is money. If you want to be a serious candidate for national political office, you’ll need a lot of money & a lot of powerful friends. These folks expect something in exchange for their support, and it won’t be a speech on civil ethics.

The Founding Fathers engineered a government designed to address the ills of the systems in that age, such as monarchies and traditional democracies. The scenario of economically influential business entities directing the affairs of government is not one that’s happened in the way we see now, with Senators and Admirals on corporate boards of firms supplying the government while also employing voters . We don’t even bat an eye at the headlines anymore; half the US Navy Pacific admiralty is under investigation for bribery and few publicly know about it. The SecDef Office is basically a financial conveyor belt for defense contractors.

I could keep typing, but this is why the Mueller Report is a red herring; if such an investigative effort was made to every career politician in DC , they’d all be found to be just as dirty as Trump is. Including Pelosi and those who’d be charged to vote for impeachment proceedings.

What is the common political platform of Democrats and Republicans?

Money- and getting more of it.

[ralph]

Actually, the problem is money. If you want to be a serious candidate for national political office, you’ll need a lot of money & a lot of powerful friends. These folks expect something in exchange for their support, and it won’t be a speech on civil ethics.

The Founding Fathers engineered a government designed to address the ills of the systems in that age, such as monarchies and traditional democracies. The scenario of economically influential business entities directing the affairs of government is not one that’s happened in the way we see now, with Senators and Admirals on corporate boards of firms supplying the government while also employing voters . We don’t even bat an eye at the headlines anymore; half the US Navy Pacific admiralty is under investigation for bribery and few publicly know about it. The SecDef Office is basically a financial conveyor belt for defense contractors.

I could keep typing, but this is why the Mueller Report is a red herring; if such an investigative effort was made to every career politician in DC , they’d all be found to be just as dirty as Trump is. Including Pelosi and those who’d be charged to vote for impeachment proceedings.

What is the common political platform of Democrats and Republicans?

Money- and getting more of it.

Like I said in one of my posts..Eisenhower warned us what would happen if the MIC was allowed to take over.. He was right.. The more I read posts like yours, the more I'm convinced our present form of goverment needs overthrown, and we start over, using the Consitition as a guide..(note, I said as a guide, there is room for improvement, clairfication on certain things) The pigs in congress are never giving up their feed trough (money, bribes, etc,) it will have to be forceably taken from them, and they kicked to the curb, or prison, depending on how much of a traitor, or how corrupt they are.

[critter]

... the more I'm convinced our present form of goverment needs overthrown, and we start over, using the Consitition as a guide..(note, I said as a guide, there is room for improvement, clairfication on certain things) ...

I don't disagree at all. The problem is that with physical overthrow such as described.. rarely is the movement blessed with a Washington who turns down the proffered Crown in favor of a peaceful formation of and transition to a Constitutional Republic. Now, they did deport an enormous number of Torries, but they didn't shoot them. History is the great teacher of what will most likely happen in that scenario.

[AMC]

I don't disagree at all. The problem is that with physical overthrow such as described.. rarely is the movement blessed with a Washington who turns down the proffered Crown in favor of a peaceful formation of and transition to a Constitutional Republic. Now, they did deport an enormous number of Torries, but they didn't shoot them. History is the great teacher of what will most likely happen in that scenario.

It's happened once. And only once. In all of recorded human history. And that was here....which skews the modern American perspective on what likely outcomes would be. This is the real meaning of 'American Exceptionalism'....we were the exception to that historical rule.

[ralph]

I don't disagree at all. The problem is that with physical overthrow such as described.. rarely is the movement blessed with a Washington who turns down the proffered Crown in favor of a peaceful formation of and transition to a Constitutional Republic. Now, they did deport an enormous number of Torries, but they didn't shoot them. History is the great teacher of what will most likely happen in that scenario.

You're quite right..As Lincoln said " A house divided against itself, cannot stand" pretty much describes the U.S. right now.. At some point, things are going to come to a head..What happens after that, how bad it'll get, I don't know. I do know, that as a country we cannot continue on the path we're going down..

[ralph]

It's happened once. And only once. In all of recorded human history. And that was here....which skews the modern American perspective on what likely outcomes would be. This is the real meaning of 'American Exceptionalism'....we were the exception to that historical rule.

Which begs the question, Can we be the exception to that historical rule again? I honestly don't know.. If we, as a country had a civil war now, it would be way worse that the last one...

[Borderland]

Fine with me.. just set the terms up so that we're not having some sort of election every year..
President..one term, 5 years.
Senator..one term , 3 years
House Rep.. one term 2 years

Officeholders could not run for office again within their lifetime after their term is finished. They get No pension, free healthcare. When their term is finished they go back to being Joe Citizen.. Special protection for former presidents for 5 years, after that, if they want it, it's on them, that or buy a handgun, and learn how to use it, like everybody else..

When the constitution was written that's more or less how they envisioned it working. Holding federal office was a financial burden. You were away from your farm or business a long time because it took two days to get from Philly to DC. Hardly anyone served more than one term.

Lots of people stay in DC now even after several terms in congress as lobbyists. They need to ban lobbyist also.

[ralph]

When the constitution was written that's more or less how they envisioned it working. Holding federal office was a financial burden. You were away from your farm or business a long time because it took two days to get from Philly to DC. Hardly anyone served more than one term.

Lots of people stay in DC now even after several terms in congress as lobbyists. They need to ban lobbyist also.

Oh God yes, That shit needs to be stopped, and stopped now!!! A member of congress meeting with a lobbyist, should result with them forfeiting the rest of their term, on the spot..

[GardoneVT]

I don't disagree at all. The problem is that with physical overthrow such as described.. rarely is the movement blessed with a Washington...

Armed revolt is a vote for tyranny and mass suffering. Perhaps the best we can realistically attain from a government is a strange form of benign stasis. A government too busy covering its tracks is too busy to oppress the population, after all.

[ralph]

Armed revolt is a vote for tyranny and mass suffering. Perhaps the best we can realistically attain from a government is a strange form of benign stasis. A government too busy covering its tracks is too busy to oppress the population, after all.

You think you won't get tyranny and mass suffering if these socialist communists take over? People like us on this board would be the first to be run into a camp.. Believe me, I don't like it either and I hope a change of course that this country is on can be made peacefully, but communists/corrupt politicans everywhere are the same, you can vote your way in, but you'll have to shoot your way out.. Like I said, at some point things are going to come to a head, when and where this happens, I don't know.. The best anyone can do, is to get, and be prepared.