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    Quote Originally Posted by LSP552 View Post
    No matter how good you are, there is a small factor you just can’t control. You can do everything right and still not win the day. Not talking about match performance.

    I think it’s hard to put a number on it, but I’d be more than happy delivering 95 % consistently, rain or shine, regardless of environmental conditions.
    So would NFL kickers, looking at their point after stats. Considering they are the best at what they do, I bet 75 percent is a more realistic goal for what you describe.
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    I think each shooter has an envelope of technical skill - from that which is most within their capability and most approaches 100% reliable execution for that shooter, to what they can reach out and touch when stretching their capability and is the least repeatable thing they can do.

    I have always found that latter type of challenge fascinating. I always like to go for it if appropriate, and have accumulated some amazing shots that way (in shooting and other things too.) I could not properly characterize any likelihood of success with those types of shots. But my subjective impression is that I make a lot of those crazy shots wher you have one naturally-occurring chance.

    I personally have never really felt that there is such a thing as a 100% guaranteed shot. I mean other than something as easy as "shoot this wall."
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    I was surprised when Ben Stoeger said on a podcast that he hit his grip about 90% of the time in practice and 80% of the time in a match, if I am remembering that correctly. He's well known as a super consistent shooter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    So would NFL kickers, looking at their point after stats. Considering they are the best at what they do, I bet 75 percent is a more realistic goal for what you describe.
    No doubt, that’s why I’d be happy to hit 95%

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    I was lucky enough to train with some of the most talented, well trained combat shooters in the world in my last position. They held firm that performing at 50% of "range" capability on the "two way rifle range" was all any of them could ever hope to achieve - and these are guys who shoot THOUSANDS of rounds every month, in the most demanding training environments you could ever imagine. So, that has always been my goal - to get myself to the point where I'm shooting at 50% of perfect range performance when I'm moving, target's moving, I'm injured, it's wet, cold, dark, hot, too bright, whatever. All the "X shots to a Y size target in Z seconds" is just a measure to see if you're getting there - not an end in and of itself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    NFL kickers should be at the top of food chain in terms of on demand performance, but there is a lot more variability in their 2018 performance than I would have expected.

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    If you look at the numbers out to 39 yards they are close to identical: 100% or right under. Beyond that there are too many variables per team for that chart to be very useful. A kicker playing half his games under a roof on turf is going to have it easier at 40+ than a kicker in an outdoor northern stadium with grass. And a coach who is confident in his defense may be more likely to try field goals in bad conditions than a coach with a shitty D who is more likely to punt. And so on.

    That being said, there have been a handful of kickers who were flat out automatic for years. The Stoegers of football.

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    An on-demand skill is one that satisfactorily concludes before the "demand" is obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_White View Post
    I was surprised when Ben Stoeger said on a podcast that he hit his grip about 90% of the time in practice and 80% of the time in a match, if I am remembering that correctly. He's well known as a super consistent shooter.
    Very interesting. Only tangentially related but re sinking the grip; shooting so much 1911 mixed with standard frame Glocks from the holster these last couple of years I was really struck by the difference in the two platforms if you bork a grip. With the heavier steel pistol and a lighter trigger I think there is noticeably more "forgiveness" than the same with the lighter polymer framed gun and a more challenging trigger. Like still hitting alphas or close C's vs bad C's a long ways out of the A.


    Ben shoots a heavy gun IIRC and one probably with a competition optimized SA trigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHC View Post
    Very interesting. Only tangentially related but re sinking the grip; shooting so much 1911 mixed with standard frame Glocks from the holster these last couple of years I was really struck by the difference in the two platforms if you bork a grip. With the heavier steel pistol and a lighter trigger I think there is noticeably more "forgiveness" that the same with the lighter polymer framed gun and a more challenging trigger. Like still hitting alphas or close C's vs bad C's a long ways out of the A.


    Ben shoots a heavy gun IIRC and one probably with a competition optimized SA trigger.
    I found this to be 100% true in my Beretta shooting.
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