Invading Afghanistan after 9/11 was a matter of national honor.Originally Posted by TiroFijo
Leaving that job unfinished to invade Iraq was a grave mistake but that is another discussion.
Invading Afghanistan after 9/11 was a matter of national honor.
Leaving that job unfinished to invade Iraq was a grave mistake but that is another discussion.
Urgent Fury, Just Cause, Korea, Desert Storm, Kosovo, and most recently a slew of lower intensity conflicts that most people aren't aware of throughout SE Asia and Africa....Echo Casemate, Observant Compass, Tusker Sand, Juniper Nimbus, Juniper Shield, Justified Seamount, Nimble Shield, Obsidian, et al.
In addition, keep in mind that the invasion of Iraq, and invasion of Afghanistan, were separate military operations from the occupation and nation building effort in each country. Both of those invasions were total successes.
Last edited by TGS; 06-23-2019 at 01:40 PM.
"Are you ready? Okay. Let's roll."- Last words of Todd Beamer
Still in Korea being subject to our people being nuked.
Vietnam
Somalia
Kisovo sent terrorists throughout the region.
Still in Bosnia
Iraq is now an Iraqi protectorate.
Afghanistan is again Taliban.
Libya is chaos
Saudi Arabia sends terrorism throughout the globe and a war with Iran just helps them.
Last edited by Zincwarrior; 06-23-2019 at 02:01 PM.
In general? Yes. I'm good with resource wars when it's in our best interests to do so. In this specific instance? Seems awful early for that, especially when sanctions seem to be doing the job. In another thread which I think is members only, I pointed out we could buy all of the iron, steel, and aluminim they import for something like 2-3 weeks of the cost of the Iraq war. We don't need to go to war yet. I would invite you to read my earlier post again.
I'm sure it's multi-faceted, but a big side is a mini-Cold War with Russia. ISIS is a thorn that sucks but is not a serious threat to our interests. Russia, that's a more serious threat. Russian influence in the region is growing, which is why anybody gives a shit about Syria. Russia has been interested in Iraq since early on in the real Cold War. Russia helped Iraq develop oilfields, trained their intelligence personnel, helped smash the Kurds, and had a pretty chummy diplomatic and economic relationship with them for decades with a "treaty of friendship and cooperation". I don't know how old you are, but containing Soviet and post-Soviet Russia (and more recently, China) influence is often the big driver for why we do anything anywhere post WWII. Why do we support the Kurds? Why do we support them but not assist them against Turkey? Why don't we care that Turkey continues to occupy much of Cyprus? Why are we so easy on Saudi Arabia's human rights violations? Because influence and who's the best strategic partner today.
You're missing the second half of why wars are fought. Deny resources to your enemies.
Sorta around sometimes for some of your shitty mod needs.
Al Qaeda smashed but then we stayed.
It’s not that we stayed, it’s that we stayed half assed and squandered a window of opportunity where we had the support of the population and could have to left things better than we found it.
What do you suppose the world would look like had we not engaged in resource/containment wars? The world would just be fucking peachy if the US stayed home? What do you suppose our pre-fracking economy would look like if our energy costs were consistently at Arab Oil Embargo levels, the Soviets had the Korean peninsula and Japan's technological gains and industrial base, etc?
Sorta around sometimes for some of your shitty mod needs.
Exactly... Not sure what you define as "success" Zinc...
You think the US would have ANY influence in the SEA region if you didn't fight the Korean war?
BTS wouldn't be getting all the kids pumped up right now that's for damn sure.
https://www.engadget.com/2019/06/22/...MxjL7QglDtjfPO
US cyberattack reportedly knocked out Iran missile control systems
The President reportedly signed off on the digital strike.
The US may have withheld a physical military response to Iran shooting down a drone, but it might not have shown similar restraint with a digital campaign. Washington Post sources say the President greenlit a long-in-the-making cyberattack that took down Iranian missile control computers on the night of June 20th. The exact impact of the Cyber Command operation isn't clear, but it was described as "crippling" -- Iran couldn't easily recover, one tipster said.
Last edited by HCM; 06-23-2019 at 02:12 PM.
And that's exactly what will happen if the US decides to hammer their missile defense system. They probably wouldn't even do it with manned aircraft but Tomahawk missiles. So far no middle eastern country has been successful in stopping a Tomahawk missile attack. The reason is their air defenses are inoperative during an attack. They boast that they can do it but it just has never happened. Those missiles just don't miss.
In the P-F basket of deplorables.
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