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    Quote Originally Posted by JCN View Post
    Bumping this up. Anyone here do this?

    I've not done that as a whole set, but surely have done 3 out of 4 in other settings. I know I would not make it. I looked at this just recently, in light of MSP coming to do a class not far from me in summerime. My work took care of that consideration.

    Like some other similar task sets, this one is very draw speed heavy. I know I don't have that draw now (25 yards to 8 inch steel yesterday reliably was under 2 sec, several good runs were at 1.4x, hands relaxed alongside the body, 15 lbs mainspring for ten-ish lbs DA pull in the Shadow2). For where I am at with time and ammo allowances, faster draw is near the bottom of my worries. You guys give it a shot, I'll cheer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCN View Post
    Bumping this up. Anyone here do this?

    @Clusterfrack
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    I was thinking of trying this with the 0.20 penalty from USPSA gear.

    I think I could hit all the time and accuracy standards, but probably not consistently.

    Anyone want to try this as a makeshift Drill of the Month since there haven’t been any new ones in the past two months?

    From open gamer gear it’d be:
    1. 3&2 Drill. 3 yards. 3 shots to the COM Alpha then transition to 2 rounds on a 3x5 card in the head box.
    Par is 1.8 seconds.

    2. 1 Shot Drill @ 7 yards. 1 shot to COM Alpha. Par is 0.8 second.

    3. Bill Drill. 7 yards. 6 shots to COM Alpha. Par is 1.8 seconds.

    4. 1 Shot Drill @ 25 yards. 1 shot to COM Alpha. Par is 1.3 seconds.

    I ran them twice in a class with Scott using my 586 L-Comp. Once from AIWB and once from a USPSA holster. From AIWB I hit the par times on the 3x2 and the 1 shot, missed the par on the Bill Drill, and missed the accuracy and par on the 25 yard draw.

    Scott and I also worked out that on the 3x2 and the Bill Drill revolvers get a bonus bump of 0.2 because it’s extremely difficult to pull splits faster than 0.20 with them.

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    I was getting .45-.50 splits, shooting a two inch square at 7 yards with a 396PD and an Acro. For benchmarking, how fast does Mr Miculek split a revolver, and what are competent splits with something like a 586/686 and wadcutters, and same question with some flavor of .357 loads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    I was getting .45-.50 splits, shooting a two inch square at 7 yards with a 396PD and an Acro. For benchmarking, how fast does Mr Miculek split a revolver, and what are competent splits with something like a 586/686 and wadcutters, and same question with some flavor of .357 loads?
    That’s excellent for a target that size with a DA. It’s hard to say how fast the splits would be because of the aiming.

    What is it on an A zone at that distance?


    Miculek with his 929 (9mm) was getting 16-17 splits on a 5-7 y A zone I think.


    Me with 9mm Speer Lawman from a 2.5” Nightguard (similar ballistically to the 135gr 357 magnum out of a short barrel) had splits in the 26-28 range trying to aim at 8” circle at 7 yards.



    Max revolver splits for me are around 23 right now.



    This is current and past multi-national USPSA revolver champ Poggie:



    Eli at TK who built his says he’s at 6.5# DA. My 929 and Nightguard are at TK right now getting built the same as his.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jetfire View Post
    Scott and I also worked out that on the 3x2 and the Bill Drill revolvers get a bonus bump of 0.2 because it’s extremely difficult to pull splits faster than 0.20 with them.
    Quote Originally Posted by backtrail540 View Post
    Here was an attempt at the 3&2 with a j frame from aiwb. Feel short but it fun.

    That makes those seem much more attainable. This run was a 2.23 and i didn't know where to begin trying to make up .23 with the j frame, back when i ran one regularly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by backtrail540 View Post
    That makes those seem much more attainable. This run was a 2.23 and i didn't know where to begin trying to make up .23 with the j frame, back when i ran one regularly.
    Nice run. That was solid.

    I might try and run the actual time standards from pocket concealment with an iron sighted snubby.
    Starting with hand on grip in a pocket seems like a reasonable trade off since that might actually be the way it’s used.

    I don’t like relaxed time standards for equipment in general as a bad guy won’t care what type of gun you have and say “okay, you can shoot me slower because you chose a more difficult gun to shoot.”

    But seems reasonable to reflect the real world pocket revolver advantage (which is being able to safely pre-stage the grip while still pocket concealed).

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    I’ll give it a shot. It’s a bit outside of my current capabilities but gives me a goal to work towards!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCN View Post
    I don’t like relaxed time standards for equipment in general as a bad guy won’t care what type of gun you have and say “okay, you can shoot me slower because you chose a more difficult gun to shoot.”
    @AsianJedi
    That leads to an entirely different conversation about how fast you could/should be shooting in a fight, and if you're shooting faster than your ability to process what's happening in front of you.

    Back to the revolver splits, I found that with my tuned 586 L-Comp I can occasionally get into the high teens on a split. Next time I shoot Scott's standards, I'll just run them straight time and I'm pretty comfortable I can get under the pars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetfire View Post
    That leads to an entirely different conversation about how fast you could/should be shooting in a fight, and if you're shooting faster than your ability to process what's happening in front of you.

    Back to the revolver splits, I found that with my tuned 586 L-Comp I can occasionally get into the high teens on a split. Next time I shoot Scott's standards, I'll just run them straight time and I'm pretty comfortable I can get under the pars.
    What DA pull weight does the 586 have? My 396 is 10 pounds or so on my scale, and I had zero luck slapping it like a semi auto — seems like I have one speed, and it hardly matters whether I am shooting a small or large target. I am hoping the 686 Plus I am getting from Darryl splits faster between a better trigger and a heavier pistol empty weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    What DA pull weight does the 586 have? My 396 is 10 pounds or so on my scale, and I had zero luck slapping it like a semi auto — seems like I have one speed, and it hardly matters whether I am shooting a small or large target. I am hoping the 686 Plus I am getting from Darryl splits faster between a better trigger and a heavier pistol empty weight.
    Mine is 6.5 lbs, which is pretty awesome

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