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Thread: The Art and Science of Keeping Your 1911 Running

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    I don’t shoot at the same level as many here, but I’ve found with my hand shape bobtails do not shoot appreciably different for me and they are more concealable.
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    For me, Bobtails are easier to conceal, but I have to really concentrate on my grip. Even with my small hands, I have to deal with the lower (pinky side) portion of my strong hand not having a surface to grasp. 20 LPI front strap checkering helps here. My issue may be that I tend to grip the front and rear of the frame with the grip panels not offering appreciable support.

    Another issue is the limited amount of chamfering available for the magazine well makes reloads an adventure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awp_101 View Post
    How much difference is there between a bobtail and round butt? Buried somewhere in this thread is a bobtail discussion and IIRC more than one poster mention they tend to shoot low when pushing for speed. Do round butts have that problem as well?
    Quote Originally Posted by Trooper224 View Post
    Quite a bit. It aids in concealment, but I won't buy another.

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    I think, somewhere in this thread, someone posted a MSH that converts a bobtail to a regular profile. I can't remember who it is that offers that part, though.

    Found it.

    https://egwguns.com/search-results-p...tail%20regrets

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Whitlock View Post
    I think, somewhere in this thread, someone posted a MSH that converts a bobtail to a regular profile. I can't remember who it is that offers that part, though.

    Found it.

    https://egwguns.com/search-results-p...tail%20regrets

    Won't get you to arched, but most prefer flat anyway.
    Yep, the bobtail regrets MSH. Haven’t tried one but it’s in the back of my mind when a bobtail tempts me. 😁
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    We ran a couple of drills which went into low light and a night qualification.

    Somone needs some work on left hand. Been pushing too many pencils.

    I had a handheld flashlight in my right hand and for the life of me could not see through the optic window.

    its a 5 shot 6 second stage at 5 yards (one hand / alt hand only). I wasted over 3 seconds and made a quick decision to just point and shoot.

    my overall group was a tad low. The air was still, humid and smokey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SW CQB 45 View Post
    We ran a couple of drills which went into low light and a night qualification.

    Somone needs some work on left hand. Been pushing too many pencils.

    I had a handheld flashlight in my right hand and for the life of me could not see through the optic window.
    What flashlight technique were you using? A “neck/cheek/temple/eye” index, where the light is brought back behind the gun/optic has the potential of (channeling Aaron Cowan) creating a photonic barrier where the reflection (even with some minimal spill from the light) prevents seeing through the window.

    I haven’t experienced the same when the hand held light is emitted in front of the optic.

    … and a P.S. - I think I may have said it before but I absolutely love the pics over time of your duty gun. It’s one of my absolute favorite duty 1911s. I wish I had one with that much character, but I apparently have a problem with gun commitment and I switch too much to put that much wear and awesomeness into one gun.
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    In our qual, is a 5 yard one had stage. 5 rounds one hand primary, switch, 5 rounds one hand alternate.

    Since this was the night qual, I utilized my Cloud Defensive MCH HC.

    I utilized a neck hold but prefer the light to be at eye level.

    It worked fine with the light in my left hand shooting one handed primary (R).

    It did not work in the opposite hand. I only saw black through the optic window with a slight hazing of my rear sight.

    I recall in my 3 seconds (before I just started shooting) trying to make adjustments but I never saw through the optic window.

    being right handed, the dot is there when I snap up one hand right hand. Left hand is another story.

    based on my low left grouping, I held center but likely from hammering the trigger very fast... my rounds went low and left.
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    Can I shoot two boxes of Winchester RA45TP 230 through my 1911? According to Winchester, this round is 990 fps and 501 ft lbs at the muzzle.

    Pistol is a Springfield Armory Garrison, 5", .45 ACP. It is a range gun. It currently has a 19# Hammer spring and Wilson flat-wire 17# recoil spring. I replaced the SA FPS with a slightly-radiused Wilson square bottom Firing Pin Stop. It runs both Federal American Eagle 230 FMJ normal pressure 230 HST fine. Magazines are Wilson ETM HD/+p, sku #500C-HD, 8 rounds.

    Gun is at 1,699 rounds, including a small jewel box of 20 rounds of Hornady XTP+p (950 fps). My recollection of the Hornady was that while it was a bit spicy, nothing out of the ordinary happened when I shot it. Popped my hand a bit more, perhaps.


    The reason for the question is I bought 100 rounds of this Winchester to use at next year's Pin Shoot at Central Lake Michigan, and would like to run it at that match. I want to shoot a couple mags before hand, to confirm it cycles, and maybe the plate rack at the practice area when I get there, but I'm not going to shoot a steady diet of this stuff. Once I get done with the match, I'll go back to regular loads.

    My option, if this plan it not advisable, is to put a 23 lb hammer spring in, and install a Wilson 18.5 recoil spring. But I'd rather not take the gun apart, just to shoot this small number of rounds, if I don't really need to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJ View Post
    I want to shoot a couple mags before hand, to confirm it cycles, and maybe the plate rack at the practice area when I get there, but I'm not going to shoot a steady diet of this stuff. Once I get done with the match, I'll go back to regular loads.
    Your plan is traveling cross-country to shoot a match using ammo you'll have vetted with "a couple mags" in a gun tuned for different ammo. If it doesn't work in the abbreviated test period how much vetting are you going to do with the heavier springs / old FPS?

    I mean, you can do it. I don't think the frame or slide is going to have its life considerably shortened by a hundred rounds of factory +P regardless of which of those springs you use. But it's the sort of kinda-barely-tested "more gooder" tinkering that hurts at least as often as it helps. Maybe for a level 1 an hour away. Not for this.

    I think people better versed in the specifics of pin shooting (which I've only done informally) will probably tell you to find some flat point or SWC loaded to whatever weight/velocity the gun is tuned for and just use that instead.

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