Originally Posted by Robinson
edited to add: This went over my head. I misremembered this word.
edited to add: This went over my head. I misremembered this word.
Last edited by Jay Cunningham; 09-03-2019 at 12:38 PM.
That's extremely interesting-thanks for the timely update. And not to unduly chastise the CSP (or Cerberus), but that's another paradigm example why you at least run 50 rounds through a new or refurbished gun upon issue, just to perform a basic live fire function check-especially before duty use (or use in a presumably expensive training course or match...)
I've spoken with Christopher Prevost numerous times over the years, and I was under the impression that he and his outfit specifically were crafting their 1911s themselves; he talked at length about the testing involved, particularly regarding the CERTAC magazines which were my primary interest. is 1911s certainly have a unique, proprietary look, but I never really asked him specifically if they were made in house, or contracted out, or had components contracted out and assembled in-house.
The wadcutter lip profile was chosen due to the CSP's desire not to have full or partially depleted magazines spewing their cartridges out when they were ejected on a cement floor (which will almost certainly happen with Check-Mate's hybrid feed lip magazines; in fact, if a hybrid feedlip magazine is carried loose in a pocket, there's a good chance that the topmost cartridge will work its way out of the magazine)(when the magazines are held in a pouch, it's a non-issue).
As I recall, the CERTACs had some other unique features-I'll have to check mine, but I believe the placement of the witness holes, the configuration of the rear top of the mags and perhaps the gauge/tensility of the tube steel was proprietary. I believe that the followers were a dimple-less variant of Check-Mate's patented, fully skirted metal follower.
The follower dimple "issue" to me is kind of like the GI recoil spring guide rod vs. a full-length guide rod; in my experience, whether or not the follower has a dimple doesn't really seem to make any difference in actual functioning, especially regarding the last round.
Best, Jon
Last edited by JonInWA; 09-03-2019 at 12:13 PM.
I'm really looking forward to the release of Hilton Yam's 1911 Duty Tune video.
“If you know the way broadly you will see it in everything." - Miyamoto Musashi
As a guy who doesn't own a single 1911 this thread has been fascinating, really makes me want to go out and buy one and learn hands-on.
I have two questions for the group:
-What's the consensus on longslide guns? I'm talking 6'' or greater. Are they less reliable than 5''? Do they shoot noticeably better? Are there any specific parts considerations for them? I realize this may be a question with unlimited answers considering how many variables go into a specific 1911, so if this is silly please disregard.
-What are the preferred extended capacity magazines? (lots of great talk about 8 rounders, I'm curious about 10 rounders though). Are 10 rounders seen as a viable or serious use feeding source for a 1911?
Thanks for such a great thread gentlemen!
Last edited by Tyrok; 09-04-2019 at 04:42 PM.
I don't know what the consensus is, but my .02 is anything longer than a 5" gun and any magazine over 8 rounds, in .45 Auto, (and I generally prefer 7 rounders) are novelty items.
A 5" 1911 is the gold standard. I have no experience with 6" guns. Overall weight has to be more. Heavier slide would result in slower slide speed and probably require a different than standard recoil spring weight.As a guy who doesn't own a single 1911 this thread has been fascinating, really makes me want to go out and buy one and learn hands-on.
I have two questions for the group:
-What's the consensus on longslide guns? I'm talking 6'' or greater. Are they less reliable than 5''? Do they shoot noticeably better? Are there any specific parts considerations for them? I realize this may be a question with unlimited answers considering how many variables go into a specific 1911, so if this is silly please disregard.
-What are the preferred extended capacity magazines? (lots of great talk about 8 rounders, I'm curious about 10 rounders though). Are 10 rounders seen as a viable or serious use feeding source for a 1911?
Thanks for such a great thread gentlemen!
I have tens of thousands of rounds fired using exclusively Chip McCormick 8-Round Power Mags. I look nowhere else. I own 4 10-Round Chip McCormick Power Mags primarily for classes that require 10-round drills. I don't use them as much but they have been flawless too.
http://www.10-8performance.com/1911-magazines/
The sample size is pretty limited on long slides. I don’t know anyone who has one.
I barely trust 8 round mags let alone 10, but I’ve never heard anyone complain about Wilson’s in a competition context.
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I had a 6", built by the master of the longslide, Jim Hoag. It ran well. The action feels sluggish, but closes with certainty and it liked full power loads.
Regarding the 10 rounders, I think it was Basicload, years ago that said he carried a standard length mag in his carry piece, and that if he had the time when the action started, he'd be running into the fight tac-loading his spare ten rounder into the gun. As a nobody, I can't argue with that plan
And I was just watching Thief.
"When the phone rang, Parker was in the garage, killing a man."
I've spent some time training with Chuck Taylor and heard his story on how he trained Caan for that movie. That grip is classic old school Weaver, Chuck's preferred method.And I was just watching Thief.
Last edited by JohnO; 09-04-2019 at 08:44 PM.
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